Windows 10: 10 doesn’t fix the desktop it fixes 8's reputation

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/...8s-reputation/

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Unlocking Nokia Lumia 820 (by deleting PIN number ) from computer, not via phone

When you touch the LCD screen you even don´t realize that it´s broken (just when you turn it in particular direction and look opposite to the window), but the part on the left side of the crack doesn´t react on touch...

I can´t imagine how to fix it

 

n97 mini - missing KS in SMS/mail

Hi, I have n97 mini with FW 11.0.045 and I have this problem.

When I want to read sms or mail, kinetic scrolling doesn´t work. Wheh I flip over the screen, it doesn´t move the screen, but only mark the text and shows the copy button . I tried hard reset, but it doesn´t help. I wrote on other forum and about ten users
answered me, that they have the same problem, bud no one knew, how to fix it. I tried the shift button, but no results. Any idea please? It´s very anoying.. it´s like old 5800 FW without KS...

Thank you very much

 

Hi there

?????

This article says NOTHING --- do people actually get PAID for writing this stuff !!!!! - I'm sure my DOGS would have come up with the same conclusion.

In any case ANY OS is usually building on improvements in it's previous version --I'm sure parts of the Windows Kernel are still probably based on Windows NT --how many years ago was that.

If the OS is reasonably modularly designed then you add new components such as TOUCH as and when new hardware appears -- what's so new about that.

Eventually a total re-write might be necessary - such as the change from Windows 95 (DOS based with a "bolt on" GUI) to Windows 2000 and Windows NT which radically changed the kernel but that happens very rarely and is a hugely expensive business.

If Windows 10 was NOT more or less like Windows 7 with the best bits of Windows 8.1 then who on earth would be persuaded to use it - businesses have enough to do without having to train their staff in the basic use of Windows.


'Bleendin Obvious I would have thought.


Cheers
jimbo

 

You are right, BUT, I'd like to quote this part from the article:

This is entirely true. Nothing and nobody can beat this fact. Build 9841 is pretty much Windows 8.2. Will the final build in about half a year or so be different enough to be called Windows 10, we don't know yet. I'm not even talking from visual point of view, but rather what Windows 10 brings to the table. There'll be bunch of new features, however, most of those features will not be useful to average PC user. Not to mention the fact that competition had half of these features in their OS for a while now.

People are simply making a huge deal out of Windows 10 when in fact, it's not. Fanboying aside please. They haven't changed core stuff, such as Kernel or new file system or something third, but rather decided to take Windows 8.1.1 and work on it by adding new stuff or changing things most people didn't like. I wouldn't bring money into the equation because surely Microsoft have earned enough to do anything, including entire OS re-write or whatever else they can do, so arguing about that would be silly, to say the least.

I do hope final build for Windows 10 will change quite a lot, because right now, there's no way majority Windows 7 users will move to 10, including myself.

 

So far, nothing that I would consider paying for, over Windows 7, which I've already paid for.
If this is all there is then I think 7 users should get a free upgrade as well.

 

Hi there

Since Ms gets a lot of "Fees" from corporate users I'm sure there will be "Sweeteners" for Corporate upgrades.

I'm sure that there will at least certainly be a decent upgrade path from W8.1 -- I mean if W10 is going to come out shortly AFTER XMAS then people buying a computer with essentially an Out of Date OS will expect a FREE upgrade.

I'd imagine that Ms WILL certainly encourage initially people to upgrade - they also have to appeal to the STILL 100,000's of people using XP as well

I can easily see a price of around 50 USD (Max) initially and probably cheaper for selected users. -- later a different ball game though.

I'd also like to see something like a "Family Pack" - most households have more than ONE computer now -- I have actually 8 (working) lying all over the place and that's just me !!!!

Cheers
jimbo

 

Many people thought Vista was a dog but once you stripped it down and combined it with the required hardware then it wasn't that bad at all. Problem was M$oft vastly underestimated the hardware requirements and once it got a bad reputation, whether justified or not, then the bad news just spread. Fortunately for Win7 the realistic hardware requirements had 'caught up' so it took off and rightly so.

I run both Win7 & 8 and really cannot see what the latter brings to the party in a desktop/non-touch laptop environment. It may knock a couple of nanoseconds off the boot time but how often do I boot up my PC - it's no big deal. Is 8 quicker than 7 - not really. So what exactly does WinX bring that party.

I'm currently in agreement with other posters that what we're really seeing is 8.2 being marketed as 10 - M$ trying to 'loose' the 8 reputation?

 

I agree with most of the posts above
however
@jimbo45
this

While I think this might have been the case in the past. I think companies tend to follow the people, and with Apple's latest OS X Maverick's, it can be run on most of today's PCs (No MAC needed). And Apple's suite of office tools are nearly just as good as Microsoft's, and let's face it Apple dominates the App world. Also given the fact, Chromebook is developing more and more offline applications. I see that people could easily migrate to another OS. If that happens the corporate World will follow suit.

Apple is already pursuing the big boy bucks, so, I don't think Microsoft is a safe as some may presume in that corporate haven. Visa and MasterCard seem to be embracing the new Apple Pay (which I do to). This could really re-shape how our normal every day business is conducted.

Honestly, I feel Microsoft's biggest headaches are just starting, making the Windows 8 blip, just a little bump in the road, compared to the big picture of things to come.

 

I have just replaced my Windows 8 with Windows 10. Windows 8 served me a minor role - it was a second OS, mostly for iTunes. There was one thing it did better than Windows 7 - move files. But the speed difference was visible only when huge files were involved and that I could do on the second OS. Otherwise it was plain ugly and did not add anything compared to Windows 7, so 7 is my main OS. The preview will serve the same purpose along with satisfying my curiosity about the new product. So far I have not seen anything that would make me move away from 7.

 

Jimbo is right, there are no major changes to the NT kernel since Vista:

Vista version 6.0
Windows 7 version 6.1
Windows 8.1 version 6.3
Windows 10 version 6.4

The size of "ntoskrnl.exe" in the "C:/Windows/System32" has changed to accommodate technology and GUI changes. For example, in W7 the size is 5.29MBs while in W10 is 7.08MBs.

I don't see much difference between W8.x, where the system boots directly to the desktop, and W10. Bringing back the start up menu in W10 is pretty much useless, once you've got used of W8.x anyway.

There's one major difference that's not related to the interface and/or the kernel...

In W8.x MS has introduced the bing integrated search charm that by default, searched the internet for the terms typed. Other searches, such explorer, were not integrated with bing. One could disable displaying bing search result within the search charm, but the charm still made connection to bing.

In W10, the bing search is integrated everywhere, including the explorer. With the pending Cortana activation for W10, the chances are that all searches will be integrated in to the MS cloud. In the latest version, there's no choice to limit the the search integration, other than not using the OS.

In both W8.x and 10, the search terms and results are communicated back to the MS cloud in TLS v1.2 tunnel. As such, it's not easy to see what exactly is being sent to the cloud. A cynical view is that the end user profile can easily be established via the search integration and other information about the end user that MS has already collected during OS, software, etc., activation.

Is this valuable information for marketing company? The chances are that the answer is yes. MS is not the first one to create profiles on a rather sneaky way, for example Google have been doing it ever since and their business is still going strong. MS just want to catch up with other companies by creating the profiles within the OS in itself, instead of just relying on the browser. Maybe MS will make Windows XX available for free, if they'd follow Goggle's lead. At least for the home users and they may keep the corporate version separate.

I for one will keep using W7 and W8.1 until there are no other choice but to chose the OS. By that time, the chances are that it'll be a lot worse by then...

 

I did not pay attention to search, but I will take a look, thanks. Normally, I do not search local files, but it's strange that local search is tied to the cloud.

 

First of all I think we should all thank Microsoft for Vista. It got us to Windows 7.

Will we find pieces of previous Windows systems in W-10; hell yes we will. Why would anybody think different.
Keeping the good parts and loosing the bad parts is a great idea.

Microsofts idea of bring out the consumer testing of W-10 so early in it's development stage means to me Bosses at Microsoft finally got their heads out of that dark smelly hole. I believe they have finely decided to listen to it's already billions or so customers.
I'm as sure as a outsider can be that Microsofts App Store is trying a little Apple trick.
Surly that can be understood in todays market place. Adding things through Apps of ones choice gets the E.U. off their backs.
If they include many of these Apps in W-10 then Microsoft will be back in the E.U. Courts for more years than we can count.

Remember the BS Microsoft went through in the E.U. Courts with I.E. and Windows Media Player being included with their operating system. A App Store should help with those E.U. Court problem.

I have that feeling that W-10 is going to be a great choice for a operating system when it's completed.
The direction Microsoft is going with it's new management gives me that felling.

I remember when I was on XP-Pro thinking about using W-7. I kept putting it off thinking their was no way they could improve on XP. All the stories I read about Vista I never tried it. One day I decided to build a new computer and just for S and G installed W=7 and have been happy every sense that I finally got off of XP and went to W-7.
Now I'm thinking I will just keep using W-7 along with W-10. What ever the price of W-10 is I keep thing it will be cheaper than the fans I have in my computers.
When one thinks of the money they have in hardware and other programs the price of a operating system is a small part money wise in their system that will not work without a operating system.
Windows 10 gives me and my hardware a good feeling.



P.S. How do you all like my new signature by Stephanie?

 

See I think similarly to Cr00Zng. Right now, it's a fun ride trying out Windows 8.1 Eval Edition (50+ more days left) and Windows 10 TP, just to see what's out there after Vista extended support expires.

But once April 2015 is done, I'll resume using Vista, which works GREAT! on my PC. I can mange to customize it to my liking, and it's not tied to the cloud in any way (ala Bing Search and the like). If I were able to get extended support updates past April 2017, I'd stay with Vista quite honestly.

After that, I'll go with Windows 8.1 which will keep me supported until 2023. And with IOBit Start Menu 8, I'll be good.

I don't hate Windows 10 so far, I'm just not WOWED by it.

 

I agree that Vista works great, still have a laptop and desktop with Vista. Adding an SSD drive to the laptop made Vista run just as fast as W7 on the same hardware. For that matter, adding an SSD to Netbook (remember of the little 10" screen buggers?) allowed W7 to be installed and runs great.

In my view, W10 is integrating with the cloud too much that the previous Windows did not do. The chances are that this had been a business decision with little or no regards to end user privacy. It remains to be seen, if MS can unset Google from its mega-marketing title, but the chances are that they'll succeed. Simply because of their market share and most people don't really care if companies establish and sell their profiles. Besides, by now how would one know which company actually sold his/her profile?

In this thread, post #16 :

https://www.tenforums.com/general-dis...sk-view-2.html

I've looked the active "call-home" connections. In short...

The "explorer.exe" maintains connection to the MS cloud, weather it is open or not.

The "searchui.exe", part of the Cortana engine also connects home whenever a search is used or browser opened. Cortana may not be active in W10 as of yet, but it does run in the background. By default installation of W10, administrators don't have access to the "C:/Program Files/Apps" folder where Cortana is located. As an administrator, one can take ownership of this folder and view/change the content. I have yet to find a way to uninstall Cortana and other apps, deleting the files would probably hose W10. If that's true, it would just show how much MS values the tracking capabilities of W10.

Maybe I'll backup my Vmware and try deleting Cortana. Also, try moving the "explorer.exe" from W8.1 to replace the same to W10 and see what happens...