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  1. 5 more killer features Windows 9 should steal from Linux


    I am most definitely a "Proud Geek" and although I do play with a few Linux distros I prefer Windows. There is just so much software you can buy or even get for free on Windows. Plus trying to get some things to install on Linux is a B***H. Even simple operations like installing VMWare tools is not east as it should be. With Windows you run the set up and its done. In Linux you have to mount the DVD, open and save the package locally, decompress it and then run a bunch of command line prompts to get it to install and watch a mass of stuff fly by in the window and hope it has installed. After all these years if Linux is to succeed it needs a set up operation like Windows. Yes I know every Linux distro comes with packages to install but if you want something that is slightly unusual forget it.
     
    Indianatone, Sep 20, 2014
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  2. LittleJay Win User

    I have played around with various Linux Distros for a number of years now and would happily use them as my main OS, if I could find open source software packages capable of replacing the Windows based software I use frequently.
     
    LittleJay, Sep 20, 2014
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  3. elhassan Win User
    I think labeeman already answered you but i want to add that when you think about the security of your data you will never use windows.

    It's totally true that a lot of programmes not available in linux like windows for that Sometimes I hate it but i am using Microsoft Windows for developing because More than 80% of the desktop/laptops in the world run some sort of Windows operating system.

    its all about money lol......but for personal use no doubt Linux ...even i feel really happy using it because of the design.
     
    elhassan, Sep 20, 2014
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  4. Tony K Win User

    5 more killer features Windows 9 should steal from Linux

    If you're speaking of the old Windows, yeah. If you're speaking of the new, no. From time to time we read of instances where personal data gets breached. Not so much on personal computers, but corporate. The commoners may not understand it, but we geeks do.

    I received a call from my bank on the 10th that my bank card "may have been compromised" because of purchases at "that certain home center corp", therefore they mailed me a new one. Five months ago it was because of purchases at a fairly large food store chain. Why did they get breached? Because both are continuing to use XP. I'm glad my bank was on top of things.

    Lol! The home center breach happened on the 8th and I just received an email from them apologizing for "the frustration and anxiety this may cause you" and "we confirmed that the malware used in the breach has been eliminated from our U.S. and Canadian stores and that we have completed a major payment security project that provides enhanced encryption of payment data at point of sale throughout our U.S. stores, offering significant new protection for customers". No mention of upgrading their system!

    Sure, you'll take our money for $billions in profit, but to spend some on upgrading your system to keep our data safe is not in the plan?!! XP is how old?!! I'll be shopping elsewhere, thank you!

    Rant over > Back to the subject at hand >

    Two words as I tried to explain in my last post > Walled garden. Then we hear/read > Oh my! MS is mimicking Apple. So what?! If it's a safer system why not? It's really no shame to admit defeat and move on to something safer. I figure that the less time I spend in a browser, the better off I am. The Internet has gotten to be a nasty place.

    Then we hear/read > If they breach the wall then everyone gets breached. I'll trust MS's encrypted servers and their firewalls before I trust others' and even on my own devices. The more walls the better.

    Like I stated, if you or anyone enjoys that kind of kind of thing all the more power to you or them. It's simply not my cup of tea and don't have the time.
     
    Tony K, Sep 21, 2014
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  5. I read on another blog that StatCounter only includes commercial Red Hat installations, everything else is ignored (I don't know if that is true).

    Using that same argument; why does Windows for phones/tablets have such low market share numbers?

    The reason for a "Walled Garden" is "tax" (i.e. profit).

    In theory a "Walled Garden" can be safer.
    However I haven't seen any studies that prove it and based on Android it seems that the claim is shaky (even Linux Repositories have been interfered with).

    Unlike Fort Knox, an online "Walled Garden" can be attacked at any time, from any country in the world.
    I think that the US might notice 100,000 people, carrying empty sacks, heading for Fort Knox.
     
    lehnerus2000, Sep 21, 2014
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  6. Tony K Win User
    Ok, then let's double it at 3% > Triple it at 6% at most. Does adding up all the rest equal 100% then?

    Wasn’t trying to argue, but ok > If including convertibles, then tablets aren’t doing too badly, but admittedly could do better. Phones not so good. Reasons are domination/popularity and price. It’s a mystery as to why MS didn’t release their PDA they created way back when, other than they weren’t in the hardware business, save some peripherals, accessories, and Xbox.

    Apple introduced Hollywood iWear devices, which is nothing but overpriced costume jewelry IMO. A cultural fashion trend. “You’re not in unless you have iWear”. *Tongue iPhone basically kick started the smart phone craze. IPad soon followed. Google with Android soon followed with it being free phone OS. MS simply missed the boat. Too late to the game. Difficult to ease into the market now.

    Now MS is in the hardware business. I had to laugh at their "Hollywood hype rah rah" advertising campaign with the Surface. I see they've finally toned it down and aiming it at business with the Surface 3 and rightfully so. They will slowly gain traction, especially with their goal of similar OSs across all devices. WP OS is now a free license, but they won’t hand them out to just anyone. OEM must meet certain criteria with hardware, but more manufacturers are getting into the game.

    And what was that other free open source phone OS they tried to raise money for? I don't remember. *Wink

    God forbid anyone make money on protecting customers and opening a store to give developers exposure to make money. Haven't seen the figures, but I'll bet MS is breaking even or even losing money on that venture at this point. I know they're losing a ton on services, however, they make a lot in other divisions.

    Personally I have yet to spend all of the $50 MS Store gift card I received for purchasing my Lumia through them at the first of the year. I use it for buying or upgrading Modern Store apps. It's not like they're all that expensive.

    Like many endeavors time will tell.

    Let's face it > Nothing is 100% foolproof not even Fort Knox is safe ultimately, but if one keeps on doing what one is doing, one keeps on getting what one is getting. MS has fought security from the get go mostly due to popularity. A hackers' and malware haven. Time for a new approach.

    Let them come. There's a lot of security and walls to have to get through.

    BTW, gold doesn't back our money anymore. It's been that way for years. Nothing but the name of the U.S. Backs it. That's scary in itself. Not sure how much gold is left there. A theory that most has been sold off to the rich. Money in any form will be worthless some day due to an economical collapse. Gold will always contain value no matter what.
     
    Tony K, Sep 21, 2014
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  7. adamf Win User
    Statcounter is based on the website traffic to the specific site though no? You'd expect more Windows users on a Windows forum surely.
    *Smile Can't eat it though.
     
    adamf, Sep 21, 2014
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  8. 5 more killer features Windows 9 should steal from Linux

    Whilst it is inconceivable that more people would be using a Linux Distro, than there are using Windows on Desktop PCs, I wouldn't be surprised if more people were using a Linux Distro than are using OS X.

    Ok, substitute "proposition" for "argument".

    No ordinary person has a legitimate reason to access the Gold Reserve.

    MS would be expecting lots of ordinary people to visit the Store (the same is true of other software repositories).

    Agreed.

    That is one reason that the economy is so unstable.
    It's based on something that has no value and in reality doesn't even exist.
     
    lehnerus2000, Sep 21, 2014
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  9. adamf Win User
    My internet radio runs linux, by router runs linux and for all I know so do my refrigerator and my tv. My Macbook Pro runs windows though as I prefer it to OSX.
     
    adamf, Sep 21, 2014
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  10. If MS could drop support for everything legacy they could be more nimble. But that wouldn't go very too well with folks who have vested interest in older technology.

    The twins OS2 and NT emerged in 1989 and ever since then MS had to support two different OSes in a few flavors (XP, Win7, Win8)(not easy) all the while trying to merge the two into a single offering. Most analysts say XP was that milestone, but it was the first milestone of many.

    MS was freed from the herculean tasks and could focus on improvements without expending resources on migrating changes. Vista, Win7, and Win8 show steady progress in 'catching up' to Unix/Linux especially in a portable OS sense. But Windows still suffers from the legacy issue. Look at the reluctance to move off of XP and more recently the reluctance to move off of Win7. This isn't the old problem of device incompatibility. This is more a resistance to change in general. Sure, each release of Windows had it's drawbacks, but they were resolved and led to the next release being better for it.

    Now if MS would only build grep and tail into the OS *Wink
     
    Slartybart, Sep 21, 2014
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  11. Tony K Win User
    I don't know their method of creating stats other than hits. I'll have to read up on it when I find time. I'm sure there's other sites with stats.

    No, you can't eat it, but it buy food whereas our money will be worthless.
     
    Tony K, Sep 21, 2014
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  12. Sure Linux is "King of Embedded Operating Systems" in devices (my house-mate make them for a living).

    That's why I specified desktops. *Smile
     
    lehnerus2000, Sep 22, 2014
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  13. 5 more killer features Windows 9 should steal from Linux

    Ok...

    Package manager that has all the system apps in an app store. Why does that need to be a feature that needs to be implemented when the Windows Store ALREADY HAS BEEN DOING THAT. Seriously. Go to the Windows Store, and search for some Desktop programs, Photoshop (ALL of Adobe's collection is there), google chrome, WinZip. Not all are there because the software developer has to go through the Windows Store Desktop app certification list to meet some requirements before being published. The reason why Steam isn't on there is because gabe newell is a fool and instead of pushing Steam further onto Windows 8 PCs by only taking a couple of hours to retweak the Steam installer, he choose not to do so. Basically, all CERTIFIED Desktop and modern apps are in the Windows Store.

    Software repositories. That's a non-needed feature to target a very limited crowd.

    Always on Top might be useful especially for File Explorer.

    Web app integration actually is something that needs to be used. No one really knows that certain apps are available because of using a Desktop browser, even modern IE as well. Problem with that though, apps like amazon or ebay end up being more easily used through the browser rendered for PCs than they are in apps. Shoot, even facebook takes you to the website for account settings.

    Tiling window management doesn't work as well as you'd like. Past four windows, introduce another window on top of those four, you've lost the whole purpose of a tiled window setup. Even then, that would a feature tied to screen resolution and size as 8 inch tablets wouldn't benefit all that well from such. Better idea is to do a panoramic workspace window management setup.

    Linux is Linux for a reason, it's used by basement dwellers who spend hours recompiling their kernels while saying Windows sucks because it's unstable and prone to malware and BSODs. Windows is Windows because the vast majority of the world uses such and that entails it being designed for the vast majority of the world. Having a software repository wouldn't be at all a selling point for anyone looking to upgrade OSs or PCs. It's the same as Windows Media Center, very very few people need it or use it so there's no point in keeping it around.
     
    Coke Robot, Sep 25, 2014
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  14. unifex Win User
    Quite frankly, a lot of universities are using Linux. Back when I was a student, our university ran on Unix. It took a lot of convincing to force the IT to install a single Windows machine in the department. The winning argument was the ease of operating a standalone scanner. Nowadays, in my department (that's a 14-story building) there is a networked Linux box on every desk. Windows and Mac are only present in form of laptops, while many students have Linux on their laptops as well.

    The winning point for Windows as a home PC (or shared work/home, small/office/home, etc.) is the abundance of drivers. With Windows, any new device can be plugged in and it would be working in a few seconds. Sometimes you might want to get a specific manufacturers driver or software package to gain more functionality. But the bottom line is - they all work. I've seen a lot of complaints about consumer devices that do not come with Mac support. Now Linux support is basically non-existent, if you're lucky, someone on some forum might have created a driver for the new shiny gadget you just bought, but it will take forever to find it and who knows how well it works.

    On the other hand, nobody at work plugs gadgets into their desktops, so that particular feature of Windows is irrelevant. Networking and cluster assembly seems much easier in Linux, at least if you have a knowledgeable IT guy. But that's a particular need of a university.

    At the end of the day, the statement "one OS is better than another" is rather empty. You need to specify for which purpose the OS in question is being used and who's using it. I have a friend who has a Mac at home for the only reason that he has Windows at work and wanted something different to look at when he's not working.
     
    unifex, Apr 4, 2018
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