Windows 10: Asus CPU microcode update...

Discus and support Asus CPU microcode update... in Windows 10 Performance & Maintenance to solve the problem; The system with Asus Prime Z370-A updated to BIOS version 0613, that includes the CPU microcode update. Benchmarking the drives and comparing to... Discussion in 'Windows 10 Performance & Maintenance' started by Cr00zng, Mar 16, 2018.

  1. Cr00zng Win User

    Asus CPU microcode update...


    The system with Asus Prime Z370-A updated to BIOS version 0613, that includes the CPU microcode update. Benchmarking the drives and comparing to pre-update results show interesting results.

    System drive, Samsung 960 EVO 250GB, M.2 NVMe x4 :


    Asus CPU microcode update... [​IMG]


    Updating the BIOS results in ~10% decrease in for most, while sequential read takes ~40% decrease and the Q8T8 write increases ~5% increase. That's just benchmark, the system performance did not change, seemingly just as fast as it had been prior to updating the BIOS.

    Data drive, Samsung 960 EVO 250GB, M.2 NVMe x4 :


    Asus CPU microcode update... [​IMG]


    There is decrease in benchmark results after the BIOS update, mainly in the write results, but overall it isn't as substantial as with the system drive.

    Personal drive, Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB:


    Asus CPU microcode update... [​IMG]


    The benchmark results are pretty much the same, some results increased while other decreased, but not as substantially as the NVMe drives.

    Seemingly, the CPU microcode update is optimized for SATA drives, hit and miss for the NVMe drives. Could this be the reason for the results? Alternatively...

    Is there a difference how Windows treats the system from the other drives? It's unlikely, but I don't know...

    :)
     
    Cr00zng, Mar 16, 2018
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  2. JimWynne Win User

    Intel Pentium G3258 Overclock problems in Windows 10

    It's always good to know the whole story, which I learned with just a few minutes' web-searching. Intel never intended non-Z motherboards to be able to overclock the Pentium CPUs. Asus and a few other MB manufacturers exploited an Intel bug in the Pentium
    CPUs that allowed them to be overclocked. Intel developed the new microcode included in KB3064209 and present by default in Windows 10 in order to correct the bug. Asus apparently anticipated this, as there is a statement on their website that says:

    ASUS does not guarantee that Intel new Pentium processor and Core K Series (‘Haswell’ and ‘Haswell Refresh’) processors will be overclockable on ASUS H97, H87, B85 and H81 Series motherboards in the event that Intel issues software and firmware updates
    that result in function changes.


    There's no way for Microsoft to fix Intel's microcode, and you shouldn't expect Intel to do it because it was never their intent to allow Pentiums to be overclocked.
     
    JimWynne, Mar 16, 2018
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  3. JimWynne Win User
    Intel microcode update

    The microcode updates in question are developed by Intel, not Microsoft. Microsoft is just the delivery boy. Don't shoot the messenger. It's Intel that hasn't provided the update that you're looking for.
     
    JimWynne, Mar 16, 2018
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  4. EdTittel Win User

    Asus CPU microcode update...

    Thanks for posting this. Nice work!
    --Ed--
     
    EdTittel, Mar 16, 2018
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  5. Helpful, actually, I was searching for this kind of brief about Asus CPU microcode. You know I use musconv tool to transfer music from Spotify to Amazon music. You can try it by the way.
     
    PeterBlack, Mar 16, 2018
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  6. Berton Win User
    There has been 'talk' on the Internet's various forums about the fixes for the 2 problems causing some slowdown.
     
    Berton, Mar 16, 2018
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  7. Cr00zng Win User
    Thanks guys...

    The one performance hit is with opening QB 2018, takes longer to open, around 18 seconds. It's kind of strange since the QB database is on the data drive...

    I guess, I'll start with Asus tech support that will direct me to Samsung Tech support, Samsung sends me to Microsoft, Microsoft will advise to contact Intel, in return Intel will recommend replacing Samsung EVO with Opterone. That's pretty much predictable...*Wink

    .
     
    Cr00zng, Mar 17, 2018
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  8. Cr00zng Win User

    Asus CPU microcode update...

    Asus tech support actually replied in about four hours, not bad at all. I just wish that their suggested remediation was accurate...

    The first suggested fix for this issue was, quote:

    The link provided for clearing the CMOS is for the 3-pin CLRTC, but the Asus Prime Z370-A motherboard has two 2-pin for this purpose. While clearing the CMOS with the 2-pin is easy, I have a question. Updating the BIOS will clear the CMOS, does it not? And if it does, why would manually doing so change anything?

    The second suggested fix was for revert the BIOS, quote:

    The "may try to use" portion does not give me much confidence. Will it actually work, or just hose the system? I've done BIOS updates a number of times, but never revert it to older version. Is that something that carries no risks?
    TIA...
     
    Cr00zng, Mar 19, 2018
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  9. Benchmarks can be fun, interesting, or frustrating, depending upon the results but if the system performance "feels" about the same as you say it does, then I'd stick with the latest BIOS update you have and not worry much about benchmark results. I recently bought an Intel 760p NVMe SSD and don't have benchmark results from before the latest Asus BIOS update which included microcode updates so all I have is Crystal Disk Mark results from after the BIOS update but its interesting that the results are close to your Samsung 960 EVO results. I'm staying with this BIOS update but don't know if I'll update should they release another, at least not for now since tests show the system is supposed to be good against Meltdown/Spectre.


    Asus CPU microcode update... [​IMG]
     
    wordsworth, Mar 19, 2018
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  10. Cr00zng Win User
    Well, not exactly... couple of things...

    While the overall performance of the system is seemingly the same, Quickbooks does not perform the same. Opening Quickbooks 2018 takes more than twice as long to open now after the BIOS update. While I don't care much about the benchmark, it's just an indication for system performance, the delay in opening Quickbooks annoys me. Especially, when the seven years old system with SATA III SSDs, without the Spectre/Meltsown fix that the new system replaced, opens the same program in half the time. Yeah, that irks me...

    And as for your benchmark results....

    They are much better than mine, especially in the most important 4KiB area that used most frequently by the system...
     
    Cr00zng, Mar 19, 2018
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  11. Two things. I have programs that do not open better than when I had the first SSD in this system, an Intel X25-M. WinDVD Pro 12 is an example of a program that is not well coded and performs poorly no matter the disk it has been installed to in this system (X25, 600p, 760p). On benchmarks, I've compared my benchmark results (AS SSD, Crystal, etc.) with those in reviews and found the 760p installed in this system to be lacking by comparison. I don't know what optimizations these review sites do to their systems but my numbers are not as good as theirs. I can enable Intel Rapid Storage in the Asus BIOS and get better numbers, but I don't leave that on since it adds seconds to the boot time which I don't like.
     
    wordsworth, Mar 19, 2018
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  12. CountMike New Member
    Wait a sec, Asus Prime X370-A is an AMD AM4 MB, what it has to do with Intel microcode patches ?
     
    CountMike, Mar 20, 2018
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  13. clam1952 Win User

    Asus CPU microcode update...

    With that bios it has to be a Prime Z370-A , Typo time ;o)


    Version 0613 2018/03/098.56 MBytesPRIME Z370-A BIOS 0613
    1. Update CPU Microcode
    2. Improve system security and stability
     
    clam1952, Mar 20, 2018
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  14. Cr00zng Win User
    I was debating, if I should post the resolution, since the issue turned out to be the end users...*Redface

    When the BIOS version changed, the configuration is changed to default. The default NVMe settings for the Asus Prime Z370-A is PCIe x4 for one M.2 and the other is PCIe x2. I did change the setting about two month ego and it slipped my mind. *Mad

    A quick reboot, change the BIOS settings and the system is back to its original performance...*Biggrin
     
    Cr00zng, Mar 20, 2018
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  15. essenbe Win User
    I reverted my Bios on the Maximus X Apex and it works just fine.
     
    essenbe, Mar 20, 2018
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