Windows 10: Decent Software Package manager

Well not everyone will have things your way since everyone is entitled to their own opinion so people say win8 sucks or win10 is the best is just their opinion so please users shouldn't get offended unless they have a legit reason why its better.

 

Kari, I have no issue with what you are saying. But my conclusion from your logic is that operating systems are for elite users and the plain folks just have to adapt or get lost.

Well, we have seen what that leads to with the sales of 8 and 8.1 and I am afraid the same will happen with 10. You cannot go by the enthusiasm of the gurus on a forum like this. Check with normal folks who just want to do mail, skype and social networks - maybe a bit of office type work too.

I can deal with any OS - I have been involved with many operating systems since 1961. But the girls and guys of my computer club have trouble if an icon on the desktop moves from the left to the right. I don't think they hate change, they are just not wired for that stuff.

 

Can you translate what the hell you are saying in that huge one sentence?

 

No Wolfgang, I am really sorry that my badly formulated post may leave you with wrong impression about what I was trying to say.

The operating systems, as almost anything in this world of ours should be designed the average user in designer's mind. Not for the elite, not for the simplest ones.

I refuse to believe that an average user can't manage new Windows operating systems and their tools. If we assume that this what I believe is true, that an average user is totally capable to use Windows and even learn new things, then the conclusion is that quite a lot of the opposing opinions is caused by general antipathy towards change.

A good example in this is the Windows 8 versus the World battle. I have written my share of tutorials, you know what is the shortest one, the simplest one? This: Windows 8.1 - Make it Look and Feel like Windows 7. Why is this tutorial the shortest I have written? Because it's so bloody easy process. A "Do it once and forget" procedure taking a minute of the user's time to make Windows 8.1 look, feel and behave exactly as Seven. Afterwards the 8.1 is exactly as Seven but does it help? No because for a great part of the opposing users it's enough when it's 8.1. The usability of it is meaningless, the fact that it is almost impossible even to differ them, to say only by looking it and using it if it's Seven or 8.1 is meaningless because "I am opposing because its new, because it's Windows 8.1 and I am against the change".

Short: i do not believe and think that Windows should be made for the elite users only. I do believe and think that it should be made for average users, allowing it to be modified for both advanced geeks and simple beginners.

 

I don't think that we have different views. An OS should be middle of the road. But is that really the case. I compare Windows 10 with Linux Mint. Both were new for me but I had a lot less difficulties setting up Mint than setting up W10 - and I am a Windows guy with W8.1 experience and only a Linux hobbyist. That should give us something to think about.

But here you have a lot of second hand opinions and hearsay too - Linux is complicated is often said by people who have no clue. That reminds me the MS Mojave project. If you have never seen it, take the few minutes to watch it - interesting and along our line.

 

What a nice find Wolfgang, explains my point better than I could ever do *Smile. Here's the video embedded:

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Searched more information about this project Mojave, Wikipedia tells this:

Exactly the same happened with Windows 8.

 

Thanks WHS. . .hopefully some of the IT types on this site will watch this. . .thus stop attempting to bring down us average users. I now consider and have for a while now an average user primary because of the strokes I have had.

 

You are welcome guys. I used that video already during the Vista times on some people who lived on hearsay. There is also a long version of this 'experiment' - somewhere.

 

Indeed, Mojave was an interesting experiment into how peoples opinions about things are influenced by others who they accept as authorities feel. However, Mojave did have a number of flaws. Participants were not allowed to use it themselves, I don't think. They were just shown a demo. And the demo most likely was conducted in such a way as to not show, or diminish things like UAC and what not that were the chief complaints of many early Vista users.

Still, the point is valid that most users have opinions about something before they ever use it, and then find ways to reinforce those opinions when they actually use the product.

 

Flex wing or fixed wing?