Windows 10: Do you think Ms Reads these Forums -- would be a good idea

Who is "they"? "Microsoft" is not a person. "Microsoft" does not read news groups, or message forums. It's almost a certainty that Microsoft employees visit this board, but that doesn't mean they're acting in any official capacity, or even have any ability to act on anything they read here.

Any data Microsoft (the organization) collects most likely will only come from verifiable and quantifiable sources, not anonymous sources on message boards. So it's highly unlikely that anything you say here will have any affect on Microsoft at all. If you say something, and Microsoft later does it, it's almost certainly because other more connected people have said it to them (usually people who give them vast sums of money).

 

I'm with Kari and BillyBob so far as joining CEIP (Microsoft Customer Experience Improvement Program). They read "real world data" before they read opinions as explained here: Designing the Start screen - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

One can see the data they collected on this page that was linked in the last: Evolving the Start menu - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

So what is "real world usage of the Start menu through a variety of techniques"? Looks to me like the data collected + opinions of [people “in the know” (Pros/power users via MSDN blogs)] = what MS makes decisions on.

I don't think we're all that important. As Mystere explained > MS employees may drop in unofficially, or even a few members that I read claimed to work for MS, but I don't think it has much bearing. There may be some chatter around the MS campus and/or world offices what is posted on forums, but for the most part it has no bearing on MS decisions. I think one is better off being heard on MSDN blogs and now the feedback app.

What amazes me is that after all the "real world data" was deciphered and MS introduced the Start Screen, now all of a sudden it's a big deal. I still think very few use the Start Menu. Take a look here: Show Us Your Desktop Taskbar and desktop icons galore. Start Menu my arse! *Tongue

 

First thing is there's a big difference in the size of text in win-10 and win-7 start menu list,
I personally have a hard time seeing the text in 10 no issues at all in 7
probably because 7 uses white and black font opposed to dk blue and white text
But even with that the font is smaller and doesn't seem to work off dpi settings at all for some reason

Bing also has No place or business on the start search but win-7-8 all I had t do is not download that win update,
10 it's there and can not be removed,
Type anything local on your machine/ file/ program... and hit the enter key,
Welcome to the Bing spin zone sense less.

 

W8 clearly demonstrated the difference between "collecting data" and "interpreting data".

The data only showed that people in the CEIP weren't using the W7 Start Menu.

MS should have realised that the number of people in the program was obviously significantly less that the total number of W7 installs (legitimate + pirated).
Surely they keep track of how many times updates are downloaded.

I say "obviously" because one of the biggest complaints (if not the biggest complaint) about the W8 series, related to the missing/replaced Start Menu.

Depends on which page you are viewing. *Smile

 

I had to chuckle at myself. As you can see I was up rather late last night surfing the forums because I spent some time yesterday trying to decipher what's wrong with my tower. It's down for the count yet again. *Sad Getting up this morning having my coffee the title of your thread finally struck me. I guess I was bewildered about my PC at the time and also realized I got caught up in others posts, but never really answered your question, Jim.

Do you think Ms Reads these Forums -- would be a good idea?

On one hand, yes. There is a lot of rigorous testing performed here (as you stated) by enthusiastic geeks. But, what are we really testing? A couple of popular threads that were started pronto just after the preview broke were Windows 10 Preview Tested Apps and https://www.tenforums.com/general-dis...s-10-bugs.html. Members are still posting there, but the OPs haven't updated theirs daily as in the beginning. Perhaps they're busy?

Any which way, although I think this is a great help forum and don't want to discount it in any way, but it's really not a scientifically organized test site. It's kind of all over the place to an outsider. One must be an active member to get the real benefits of it. They may, but I think MS isn't looking in. Overall I think the feedback app is the best bet.

Also, it may be a little prejudice here. I could be wrong, but it seems that most of the members that have joined in the swell of the recent membership has been 7F members checking out the new Start Menu and testing to see how many of the Win32 desktop apps run in 10. That to me is the crux of the matter for them. BTW, not a one of the Modern Store apps are listed in the columns of the tested apps thread, although they run great. At least for me they do.

There are some of us Modern "fanbois" that post, but I think most are laying back in the woods until we see how much of the Modern gets turned on. For now, booting to the Start Screen is greyed out. A PITA for me anyway, but I can't speak for the rest.

I don't know about anyone else, but I read the agreement before signing up and downloading 10 that in return they would supply the feedback app and collect user data so as to "create an OS together". Surely they presented the "template", but I should think they should be sincere with the final result. Anyone not using the app and/or blocking user data I think are cheating themselves out of "voting".

 

Hmm I think there is a lot of worth or real life users, as far as windows 7 users, if you can get us to use and like 10 then MS wins here, lets face it, Windows 8 and 8.1 as it was RTM is a disaster, I hate it. My wife has an 8.1 touch screen laptop and we had to put classic shell on it to use the darn thing. I hated the apps screen and "Charms" Basically I wanted a cool interface but with some 7 features. I want to run 10 year old software and brand new apps and software.

So far I'm doing that with 10 and it seems to work well for the most part.

I think these forums should be included in reading for MS developers, there is some good info in these threads.

Bill

 

*Roflmao2*Roflmao2*Roflmao2

 

It is going to be very interesting to see what the final version of W10 looks like. Will MS listen to all it's users and develop W10 so that features, like modern apps, One drive, etc., can be turned on or off at will? Personally I have my doubts, but one can always hope for the best! *Biggrin

 

After years of using Windows, I think, that if MS listens to users feedback, they do everything possible to do the opposite. They are really interested in raw data only, not about what users want, because mommy knows the best, ehm MS. MS said it itself, people do not know, what they want. *Rolleyes

Start is the great example, MS said, you do not need it and yet, it was put back, imagine that. *Cool

 

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