Windows 10: Does Win 10 Have the 10 MIDI Port limitation?

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  1. fireberd Win User

    Does Win 10 Have the 10 MIDI Port limitation?


    In older OS' there was a limitation of 10 MIDI ports. Does Win 10 have the same limitation?

    I have a utility to list the ports but it does not work in Win 10. It only shows the Device Manager.

    The utility is only a two line batch file.

    set devmgr\_show\_nonpresent\_devices=1
    start Devmgmt.msc

    :)
     
    fireberd, Jun 21, 2017
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  2. lankyHX Win User

    Carbon 49 midi input windows 10

    Having just installed new firmware on above midi keyboard, it is detected by windows 10 (is shown in devices, no errors) and is detected by Mixcraft 6.

    It appears I am missing a MIDI in port, because Midi monitor says "Can not create Midi In Port from Device"

    Does anyone have a solution for this because I do not have any idea how to solve it.

    Thanks
     
    lankyHX, Jun 21, 2017
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  3. phajd Win User
    can't get sounds from a program when I run it in windows 10

    I recently upgraded to win 10. Now my music program won't emit sounds. I contacted the author, here's what he had to say:

    I’m afraid this is a bug in Windows 10 or in the upgrade procedure.

    Windows presents to the world a ‘default MIDI out port’ (called the MIDI Mapper) and MIDI signals (such as are generated by Mozart’s play-back) which are sent to this virtual port are supposed to be redirected to the default
    MIDI output device defined in Windows. What seems to have happened (I’m basing this on other Mozart users’ experience) is that the upgrade to Windows 10 does not always set this mechanism up correctly, with the result you have seen.

    You used to be able to define the default port in the Audio settings of he control panel, but I believe this is no longer possible in recent versions of Windows. Early versions of Mozart (including Mozart 5 – released
    in the year 2000) could only send MIDI output to the default port, and relied on your ability to set that up in Windows’ control panel. So I know of no way round the problem for Mozart 5.

    More recent versions of Mozart, let you select the MIDI port through which to play (see attached image). People using the recent versions, who have experienced this problem, have simply selected an explicit MIDI-out port, instead of relying on the ‘MIDI
    mapper mechanism’ and then all has been well. But this is only available from Mozart 9 onwards.

    When (if?) will MS windows remedy this situation???
     
    phajd, Jun 21, 2017
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  4. spunk Win User

    Does Win 10 Have the 10 MIDI Port limitation?

    spunk, Jun 23, 2017
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  5. fireberd Win User
    That is referencing XP. There is a later post on the Sonar forum about this and Win 10 (not resolved) however the old Craig Anderton utility that worked in earlier OS' to list the MIDI devices no longer works (doesn't work for me) in Win 10. That is why I posted the question here.

    (I use Cakewalk Sonar Platinum in my home recording studio).

    Jack
     
    fireberd, Jun 23, 2017
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  6. I did a little code diving, and it appears that a MIDI program natively coded for Windows 10, using the new application interface, has at least 64 MIDI ports available to it, using 64 bit Windows.

    I could be wrong on this, but it looks like the MIDI interface in WIN 10 will enumerate these ports. However, the code must use the new libraries. Older DAWs and software that hasn't been coded to use the new APIs won't access (probably) more than 10 ports, though Vista had a theoretical limit of 32, and I assume 7 did as well.

    I looked at both the driver code, and the API for the MIDI interface, and it appears to have unlimited ports, though this is not possible realistically. Hence my limit of 64, which is my best educated guess, based on Microsoft's documentation of the driver and API.

    If anyone has more information on this, please post and correct me if I'm wrong.
     
    Gurn Blanston, Jun 24, 2017
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  7. fireberd Win User
    The new UWP (Universal Windows Platform), which Cakewalk Sonar is suggesting for interfaces (in Sonar) works, BUT, devices such as my USB MIDI "Behringer X-Touch" does not work. I have an older USB wireless controller, a Frontier Tranzport, and it too will not work with the new UWP. I'm using the Windows "plug and play" drivers for the X-Touch. The X-Touch is a current device and if Behringer issued updated drivers that may work. The old (discontinued years ago) Frontier Tranzport only has a Vista driver and has to be installed in a compatibility mode in Win 10 (but is fully functional).

    There are other USB connected devices, reported on the Cakewalk Sonar Forum, that do not work with UWP, in its current forum.
     
    fireberd, Apr 5, 2018
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