Windows 10: Here's why we want the Win10 usability EXACTLY like it used to be

Well I'm sticking with windows 10 pro. Like a lot of folks are saying, It would take me about 7 mins to be running Windows 7 Ultimate.
Cause.....I make backups, lots of them lately. *Biggrin But I still wish Microsoft would fix the small problem I have had with Disk Cleanup.
Keep hoping it will get an update. Later....

 

I have it guys. And I hope it improves. Maybe we will get to the point where the interface is the same. Classic shell helps, but we have still lost the basic concept of making interface elements look like physical objects with 3D borders: buttons, scrollbars, textboxes. That was still an option in Win7, but is not any more. Because we don't have that functionality, they have to add 'light up' functionality, so that the user knows the extent of the button clickable area. With a real border, light-up isn't needed, because the user knows already what the extent of the clickable area is, and he knows in a way that he didn't even need to learn because it met his existing understanding about buttons. With light-up, it takes a few more eyeball squeezes to know the same thing you used to know anyway.

I have done a LOT of design, and anyone who has done a lot of design can tell you that "cool looking" is very often a step backward in real usability. And that's what we have here. A trashing of real usability in the name of being "cool looking".

I hope classic shell improves, but more than that, I hope MS realizes that this is functionality that should be built in, and it doesn't cost them anything, it doesn't reduce their control, the underlying functionality remains the same - unless, that is, it is true what people have always said, that the new Win UI features were always a way to bulk up systems and force new PC purchases, regardless of usability and productivity. Which I guess would make sense, since the underlying financial philosophy of Win10 is that MS only makes money from new PC purchases, not upgrades.

 

Not for another 10+ years it won't be. And even then, it's not going to be "Windows" in the traditional sense, and never will be again.

Repeat after me. Windows 10 is not a new version of Windows 7. It's an entirely new OS. The underlying OS of Windows 7 is Win32, and this is going away permanently in pieces over the next 10 years. It will be less and less for every new release.

This is not something complaining about will "fix". At best, Microsoft will create something like they did with the new start menu, which is a sort of compromise, but not really.

Windows is what it is going to be. Microsoft owns it. They can do whatever they want with it. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

PS: Apple has had the borderless UI for years....

 

Don't say that word.....BUY!!! prefer not to, thank you very much!!! *chuckle

 

I'm sorry, but you're not right about that. Don't be fooled by the internal version number change. This is still Windows 6.x. The functions are the same; the underlying software is the same. The jump in several version numbers from 6.3 to 10.0 is meaningless. 6.4 would have been more accurate, but someone wanted to make a "statement", is all.

And in any case, it doesn't matter even if it were new software. Please understand: the UI and the functionality are separate features, could be provided by different vendors, and are individually things that the user should have total control over. And ultimately, we will.

You're right about that. I thought MS was smart enough to maintain market share, but apparently not.

XP was a monstrosity (though everyone who's first PC it was did not notice), Vista was a monstrosity (I ignored it), 7 was reasonable, 8 was a monstrosity (I ignored it) and now we're back to a monstrosity again.

But, there is some hope that reasonableness will be restored, since MS have indicated that 10 is a work in progress. So, we will see.

In the meantime, I will be actively seeking alternatives.

 

You mean like New Coke, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1. Yes Coke Cola learned a new lesson in the market place they do not own Coke it is a lesson M$ is still learning.

 

The new coke argument doesn't work with OS's. The interesting thing is that Diet Coke is essentially the Diet New Coke, and that has stayed quite successful.

 

I'm not fooled by anything. I know very well the internals of Windows. Yes, Win32 is still there, for now, but it is slowly being siphoned off in favor of WinRT which is the new OS. Don't be fooled (which I believe you are, based on your comments) into thinking that WinRT is only for touch devices. It's not. Eventually all of windows will be replaced with WinRT based systems.

These lines have been blurred over the years. Things like Classic Shell only hook into the UI and override functionality, they do not replace it completely. Windows has always had a very strong coupling of the UI with the graphics subsystem, and while Windows 10 (and server 2016) have decoupled the UI a great deal from the kernel, the UI is still part of the basic API for the OS.

The fact of the matter is, you wrote your first post pretending to speak for the masses... you don't. Everyone has a different opinion.

 

if you spend 15 mins make a few minor changes it is actually a decent OS.. minus the telemetry conspiracy lol

 

I love you desktop.

 

If you spent 15 minutes with that desktop you'd forget all about Windows 10! *Wink

 

haha. figured i'd put my 4k display to good use with an HD wallpaper.. its all yours! *chuckle

 

I tried using backups and complete system images, no can do . I have no idea why it doesn't work because it worked when i tried it during the 30 day period but it hasn't since going more than 30 days.

 

Hi there. I’ll assume you have a degree in software coding, Systems Engineering, Ergonomics, or something on that order, yes? Not much in your profile about you, therefore you’re making statements autonomously. Did you join to just to make some bold statements entailing personal opinion on how people should use a system because you use it a certain way? Not much of what you’re stating is backed with reference either. Not much proof.

Windows continues to maintain 90.79% of the desktop PC OS market share last I checked. Has it changed to a lower figure? Keeping in mind that the use and sales of tower PCs have and continue to decline. Everyone in the know is aware of that fact, so I shan’t reference. The two pie charts below are taken from Operating system market share Perhaps you have other references that show different.









MS isn’t even mentioned in the mobile sector, therefore must be part of “Other” at 15.1%. Please note that the “other two” are dominating in the mobile market share. Again, everyone in the know is aware of the fact that mobile device sales are on the rise, so I shan’t reference. Therefore, we have a desktop tower PC market on the decline and a mobile market that is increasing. Not sure where laptops and convertibles fit in, but I would think it would be in the mobile share. Which market would you consider to enter if you were in that position? Make no mistake > A familiar OS platform to run across all devices will be a huge success. Little by little MS is gaining in the mobile market.

Then we have the cloud, which is a huge, upcoming market. I wonder if they should incorporate more of that into their OSs as they have done so?

Hmm. 7 was “reasonable”? Wow! You seem hard to please. You also seem to be confusing since 7 has all those things you stated in your OP, so which is it?

Wonder how MS Windows got to be so popular with those “monstrosities” you mentioned. Must have lost money on those losers, eh? And then again, people continue to use them so they must like them, yes?

“We shall see” more RT just as Mystere stated. 10 is 8.1 presented with more focus on the desktop and that “much missed” Start menu that's more familiar. In fact there’s more RT in 10 than there is in 8.1 including the Start menu. It's nothing but a modified Start screen/All apps combo.

Perhaps you should. Please let us know how it goes.

Lastly, as you mentioned in your OP > Why would I give up screen real estate to a dumb border? Modern flat screen monitors have a 3D bezels. Not sure about you, but that keeps my eyes focused within an area. They’re pretty much “trained” to stay there. Never really heard of such nonsense to tell you the truth.

As a builder I know of a huge well-established window company that introduced what they called the "Narrow Line". it had reinforced thinner jambs and much thinner sash frames. It eventually surpassed the sales of the traditional window by far. People don't want to see frames. They want to see the image through the glass. The purpose of the window is the view, not the frame.

 

I like how you said that*Thumbs

It would make a good epitaph for the older Windows OS versions.

Just for you @HippsieGypsie, I was kicked in the butt by a muse:

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