Windows 10: Here's why we want the Win10 usability EXACTLY like it used to be

Wrong! 3D border is not "eye candy" (especialy when you set them gray). 3D borders helps ditinguish one window from another, and message boxes from main windows.
This is essential for productivity. Just like font color better be in contrast from the backround.
Total absence of border is a monstruousity.
It's very difficult to work without them. But they did this because, simply, smartphone displays are too small to countour windows with borders, let alone the luxury for 3D. But as soon as you have 480/640 pixels, of course that you need borders!
It was the first thing I needed to fix on W10 and it took a hack to do it. No way to do it through the customization interface. And I still don't have 3D borders, just flat borders which are less efficient.
Our eyes are naturaly used to recognize spatial volumes. 3D gives a more natural visual environement, hence a more productive one.
3D borders existed since W95. Now with W10 themes, we are back to Windows 3.1 and the Modern Start is like an Atari console of the 80's!
Who are the old dumb "daddy can't get up to date" types now?

 

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Huh?? Well.. I for one don't need 3d borders to be productive with any OS. Oh and clam down.. no need to insult another member here. Check out the rules..

 

Windows 10 is not all that.. Although some may think so..
MANY others do not..

 

Well, this is a Win10 forum so I would think that the majority of users/members would think it's a good OS.

 

Fun fact. The "smart phone" you're talking about is the Windows Phone, which has its own version of Windows 10 on it. So, saying MS is using borderless Windows because the Windows Phone can't take it makes no sense at all. Why does MS need to alter a PC OS for a phone if the phone will never use it? Hmm?

Maybe MS did it because they thought people would like it, and it also helps the OS to operate faster without having to generate 3D borders. Personally, I have to admit that Windows 10 is a very fast operating system and I'm sure not having Windows 7 in it is partially responsible for that.

Obviosly MS can't please everyone, but I believe Classic Shell can restore the 3D borders.

 

MS thought that poeple will like every OSes to look the same from cellphones to double-screen desktops.
They started this Metro, this Modern stuff with the idea of using the same apps and the same look and feel on every devices.
There is also a conspiracy to make the RT system universal.
These simple 3D effects were never a drag on resources. 200 Mhz processors would handle it as fast as the flat, contrasted themes. Nobody could observe a difference back then.
The only drag on resources observed was transparency. That was because transparency is a much more complex than faking shadow with two lines of grey pixels (the 3D border effect is in fact very simple graphicaly) and also because of very poor coding. Vista added 10 Gb of bloatware to the OS.
Other 3d party software to add decorations to windows and create new styles, were also slowing down the system sometimes because they used too complex effects amd methods.
That's not what we are asking.

BunnyJ, when did I make rude comments?

I do think it's a good OS. Much better than W8.
Mainly because of mundane things like the Start Screen not filling the display area completely, less pressure to use apps, better window resizing of these apps, gives back the Start Menu, disable charm bar by default on desktop pc (I think , not sure, please someone confirm), return to the computer power logic, slightly albeit almost unoticeable better efficiency...

 

That's a great idea! Having a single universal OS that works across all platforms similarly. I bet that's what MS is trying to do.

How did I not see this earlier?

Anyway, for the sake of conversation, MS got the message loud and clear when they released Windows 8 with its modern look and apps. However, they ran into a problem when it came to making Windows 10, many people (myself included) actually liked Windows 8/ 8.1. So, it would stupid to just make Windows 7 2.0 if there is significant number of people who like Windows 8/ 8.1.

To try to please as many people as possible, MS combined 7 and 8 while still keeping a new and different OS.

UI changes are of course going to get some hate at first, but once folks start playing around with the OS and using it more I'm sure they'll adapt.

Just like how they adapted to 7. *Wink

Windows 10 is still just as productive, if not more so than 7. If you aren't happy with the UI, guess what? You can install a third party application to make it look the way you want it to look.



Last I checked it was called Classic Shell, or you could install a theme/ skin. *Smile

 

Adapt to it , yes, like it , no.

 

I'v got nothing against poeple liking W8, or liking what I don't. But why for God's sake, they didn't include some simple UI options like using 3d borders or customized colors for elements as they always did?
And don't tell me that it would take too much new code because the OS is new. W98 could do it and it was a 200Mb OS.
Do you realize that we have much less options than on W98???
Few poeple remember W98, but if they did they would be surprised what was available almost 17 years ago. Today we can't even set up font colors on windows captions/taskbar (the two are linked) without a third party app.

 

You've got a good point.

You know what would be nice is if MS could basically build Classic Shell into Windows 10. That way folks could change from Windows 10 UI, to 8, to 7, to XP, to just about any version of Windows MS would be willing to install. So, say when you go into appearance and personalization you could change your theme to which ever Windows UI you wanted.

That would be really cool and I imagine it wouldn't be to difficult.

Anyway, at the moment Windows doesn't do that. So I'm afraid the only way to get the UI one wants, one would have to either use a third party program or a go back to which ever release of Windows he preferred.

Which you already know....

 

Chuck, It would be very easy to include Classic Shell or similar into W10 but they don't want to do it.
Start Menu replacements have been downloaded tens of million of times and they still don't want it.
Because they think of poeple as pieces of software: If we don't change our habits, WE will become obsolete. So we, humans, have to update ourself to liking the new UI, even if it's less efficient.
They wanted to tell us "No! You can't use your computer as you did before. You can't!". We must use Cloud, we must be cross platform (to buy more tablets, phablets and smartphones), we must like ribbons, we must like charms, we must go fully touch screen and swipe it even if you have a mouse in your hand, because that's the way they decided it will go.
Their policy was to change the user to adapt it to their business plan. Not to adapt their products to the users.
But they never expected such resistance from the user community. We rock! *Smile

 

And do you use 10?? If not.. just why are you here??

 

Of course I use it! Yet, I'm "resisting" by installing third party softwares and using tweaks not normaly available from the option dialogs.

 

I only ask because you still have 8.1 listed as your OS.. so it's not that clear if you use it or not.