Windows 10: If you clone a disk with no errors

Discus and support If you clone a disk with no errors in Windows 10 Backup and Restore to solve the problem; If you clone a disk with no errors. And you buy a better computer faster hard drive etc. Would that actually make the size of the new disk you cloned... Discussion in 'Windows 10 Backup and Restore' started by hollyoaks777, Apr 28, 2017.

  1. If you clone a disk with no errors


    If you clone a disk with no errors. And you buy a better computer faster hard drive etc. Would that actually make the size of the new disk you cloned go at the same speed as your old one? Is cloning just for moving it onto Windows 11 for example.

    :)
     
    hollyoaks777, Apr 28, 2017
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  2. chompy33 Win User

    Windows 10 has a black screen with cursor (cursor with loading symbol) after cloning

    How did you reslove it please? Im facing the exact same problem and i cant find anything helpful

    Initially, I used Acronis to clone my disk using the program from Windows; Acronis was installed on the source disk. That is what resulted in the black screen error. To fix it, I made an Acronis Boot Disk, booted into the disk, and started the cloning process
    there.
     
    chompy33, Apr 28, 2017
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  3. I brought a new hard disk for clone, but "you do not have permission to view or edit this object's permission setting"

    I got a Seagate barracuda hdd and connected it via a USB dock

    I was not able to clone my old harddisk to this new one.

    "you do not have permission to view or edit this object's permission setting".

    I was able to partition using "Disk Management" But I want to clone my disk

    Please please please help *I am the administrator account


    If you clone a disk with no errors [​IMG]
     
    TimothyTsui, Apr 28, 2017
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  4. Samuria Win User

    If you clone a disk with no errors

    cloning has nothing to do with the speed it just does an exact copy of the drive. The speed is controlled by the version of SATA, disk speed and cache
     
    Samuria, Apr 28, 2017
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  5. What's it for?
     
    hollyoaks777, Apr 28, 2017
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  6. Cloning a disk moves the data from one storage device to another bit by bit, mapped exactly as original.

    It really does not impact the speed of the computer but it can impact the rate at which the data is read and we interpret that as computer speed.

    If you clone your data, say from an SSD to a 5400 rpm HDD, and the data that was cloned is highly fragmented then the new computer will appear slower as it takes longer for the data to be read from the drive.

    Of course the opposite is also true. If you clone data from an old 5400 to an SSD, data retrieval will be significant faster and we feel the computer is faster.

    If you are thinking of buying a new computer, and plan to add this cloned drive to your storage pool it should not impact things like boot speed, browsing. Where you may notice a slow down is when you ask for the data.

    The key with spinning drives and speed, see how fast it rotates, (5400 or 7200 for retail drives), how much cache does it have (computer sends data to drive memory, allowing computer to move on while the drive puts it away) and don't let them get to fragmented.

    Others may have differing opinions.


    Ken
     
    Caledon Ken, Apr 28, 2017
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  7. NavyLCDR New Member
    What is what for? Cloning? Cloning just transfers files from one drive to another. When you boot Windows in the new computer it will load the drivers for the new computer and adapt to it.
     
    NavyLCDR, Apr 28, 2017
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    Hi and thank you for the detailed information. I have never cloned a drive in my life . Always image file backup but I am going to do one now as it would save me having to install everything again correct? No not planning in buying one yet hard drive went on this one so I bought a Toshiba Hybrid SSD. And it is faster, but I haven't a clue how you make a hard drive that is part ssd. I think it will just be an HDD with faster speeds.
     
    hollyoaks777, Apr 28, 2017
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  9. Oh I thought it installed your programmes to your new computer. If this one packs it in I'll just have to do it from scratch as per usual. I thought cloning might save me that hassle. Thanks mate
     
    hollyoaks777, Apr 28, 2017
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  10. I think I may have gotten us off your topic as I read you were thinking of buying new computer.

    Indeed if you clone your drive you should be able to plug it in and away you go. I believe Macrium has this capability. Test your cloned drive before declaring success.

    As to your hybrid drive, I'm very sure it will handle the organization based on a usage algorithm. Data that is used a lot will be placed on the SSD portion. This will likely be dynamic, that is a file may live there for a period of time and then it will move to spinning storage as your usage of said file drops. I think it just shows as one drive to you. Of course I could be wrong so if a hybrid drive owner is following please correct me.


    Ken
     
    Caledon Ken, Apr 28, 2017
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  11. RolandJS Win User
    This analogy may work: if you take your well-used, well-maintained, GPS (a Garmin for example) device from your old car and place into your new car -- all the GPS settings, all the saved places, your maps, all the icons, buttons, etc., are now at your fingertips in the new car.
     
    RolandJS, Apr 28, 2017
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  12. Thanks again mate
     
    hollyoaks777, Apr 28, 2017
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  13. cereberus Win User

    If you clone a disk with no errors

    Modern cloning software is much cleverer than just doing straight bitmap copies i.e. defragmentation gets sorted out as well.
     
    cereberus, Apr 28, 2017
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  14. Samuria Win User
    If you are planning to clone your disk to another drive then put it into another PC it may not work as the drivers will all be wrong and it may not activate as you need to buy a new version of Windows and try running two PC's with same licence it won't work and is illegal
     
    Samuria, Apr 28, 2017
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  15. jimbo45 Win User
    Hi there
    For moving say an OS to a different HDD / SSD especially if the TARGET device is bigger it makes sense to IMAGE the HDD rather than clone it -- for example if you were cloning a 320 GB HDD to a 1TB one you'd have approx. 700 GB of unallocated space. Imaging also does essentially "defragging" automatically so files are optimised decently --no long chains etc. With an SSD this doesn't matter a lot but it does on Spinners.

    Imaging means you copy the partition(s) and you can resize them on the target disk. Note though it's more complicated than a simple clone as you will need to backup and restore the image to / from another device i.e not the device being "imaged" or the target device (unless to a different partition).

    Provided you obey the rules most backup / restore software WILL restore to different hardware -- these days there's enough generic stuff in Windows that the new computer WILL boot - it can then usually get any special drivers from the Internet etc. - It's perfectly legal to move various flavours of Windows from one machine to another one -- see the EULA for the specific allowable conditions. You can't though legally use the same copy of Windows in more than one machine unless you have a VL type licence.

    If it's a valid machine move and the Windows version is of a type that CAN be moved (e.g Retail) and it fails on activation Ms will almost certainly activate by phone -- it's a fairly simple automatic painless process these days -- no more long waiting at call centres -- you will get some type of Robot (a real one - not a Human Robot call centre worker !!) which will ask a question or two and then you will be asked to enter some numbers -- then All done !!!.


    Cheers
    jimbo
     
    jimbo45, May 3, 2017
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