Windows 10: It might be time to stop using antivirus??

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  1. It might be time to stop using antivirus??

    Hairy Scot, Jan 27, 2017
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  2. file explorer can't be accessed .it shows might have moved/renamed/deleted.

    First of all ensure your system is actually clean, preferably by using more than one virus scanner or removal tool (every AV provider has one available for free). It's always best not to manually go around deleting stuff, especially system files, unless
    you know what you're doing.

    Next from an admin command prompt run
    sfc and dism
    , if required more than once till they both report that your system's free from corruption and integrity violations.
     
    RobertJWin, Jan 27, 2017
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  3. file explorer can't be accessed .it shows might have moved/renamed/deleted.

    while i try to delete some virus files i think accidentally i deleted some supporting files for file explorer.now i can't access the shortcut key. i tried to recover what i deleted.still its not working.
     
    springaluminium, Jan 27, 2017
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  4. swarfega Win User

    It might be time to stop using antivirus??

    Because of the nature of my work, I am very reluctant to move away from Avast which I trust. I deal with hospital information and often hospitals get bought up or change domains. Those domains change hands and I've had several websites blocked because of that.
     
    swarfega, Jan 27, 2017
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  5. I use Windows Defender because its hardly noticeable running in the background. Personally I care more about annoyance-free programs than high protection. I reckon regular Windows Updates and Windows Defender + Firewall is enough for good security.

    It probably comes down to whether you appreciate more protection or silent background antivirus's with no ads. Also if you are running some sort of secure database, it is probably worth paying a bit extra for some security.
     
    ellellell1, Jan 27, 2017
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  6. GregoryP Win User
    GregoryP, Jan 27, 2017
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  7. The article basically says, that you should stop using other AVs, because they are very good in what they are supposed to do. ROFL does not even start describing, what to think about it.
     
    TairikuOkami, Jan 27, 2017
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  8. torre Win User

    It might be time to stop using antivirus??

    I did not get that perception. Fair article. Fact is all AVs (Kaspersky, Malwarebytes, Norton) are having issues adapting to Win10.

    From article:


     
    torre, Jan 27, 2017
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  9. Bree New Member
    Actually, I think the paragraph before the one you quoted says it all...

     
  10. It says, that AVs are too intrusive and he considers it as a flaw and later he contradicts himself.
    It is not might, they do it all the time. Not using good AV is way worse than using AV, which might do some damage.

    Yes, AVs are vulnerable as any other software, particularly because they run with system privileges, but that is, what makes them harder to disable unlike WD, which can be disabled by one reg entry. That expert has very, very one-sided view on the issue, I would say from dev perspective, but he forgets, that MS does not make it easy for AV vendors either. It was not until recently, that MS released tool for AVs to make it possible to bypass patchguard, etc.
     
    TairikuOkami, Jan 27, 2017
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  11. jimbo45 Win User
    Hi there

    Absolutely correct for HOME computers. WD is just fine.

    Current set of protection is based on Last century's model -- we've moved a long way from pimply teens in bedrooms writing malevolent code "just for fun".

    The name of the game these days is FRAUD or SCAM. No software can protect you against this sort of stuff.

    WD is fine for most people -- Ms update it almost daily so it's likely to be more up to date than any 3rd party product and will guard against any people still wasting their time writing malware -- a diminishing group in any case..

    I've long since thought the whole A/V industry was a bit of a fraud in any case basing it's main selling point on FEAR.

    OK some viruses are still around but if people learned HOW TO USE COMPUTERS SAFELY and TOOK BACKUPS REGULARLY the whole problem of Malware and Viruses would disappear.

    Learn how to avoid FRAUD and being SCAMMED -- this is far more prevelant these days --just look at Police crime statistics in most Western type countries (include places like Singapore, Taiwan, Japan in the mix too) where the largest growth (by far) is in Computer / Internet Fraud. In ALL of these cases (yes 100% of them) A/V software would have been 100% ineffective -- but BRAIN would have worked !!!!!.

    Corporates - different considerations - Home users don't need to worry about DDOS attacks and other things designed to disrupt corporates - and make money out of them to fix !!!.

    I think most people would worry more about their Bank accounts being emptied - or even their House being sold !!!! by Fraud than worrying about some stupid piece of Malware which a 10 - 15 min restore from Backup would get rid of.

    There actually was a case in the UK where a person impersonated another in order to get a 100,000 GBP loan -- he took out a loan against the victim's house and got the 100,000 GBP and disappeared (of course).
    Next thing is Bailiff's letters and Bank wanting to sell house to pay back the loan (which of course Victim never tool out.

    I think in the end Bank agreed to forego the money -- but it shows by simply giving out too much data over the internet and not being sensible with passwords etc -- this is what can happen.

    Cheers
    jimbo
     
    jimbo45, Jan 27, 2017
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  12. Indeed, it has actually got a name, scareware. It is used to mark fake AVs, but it applies to real ones as well. Basically they keep saying, if you go online without AV, you will get infected within seconds, umm no, you do not. Even if people would not use Defender, Windows and browsers are way more secure than in days of Windows XP. Then again, you would not ask a doctor to fix a car. People want to enjoy a computer, not to be bothered by it, by thinking.

    Actually the reason, why I have gained some knowledge about Windows is because of it. I used to get infected all time and I was like, how is this possible, when I have installed the best AV?! Eventually I have found out, it is not as simple as it looks. I think, I might have finally figured out and so far it works for me. *Smile
     
    TairikuOkami, Jan 27, 2017
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  13. CountMike New Member

    It might be time to stop using antivirus??

    CountMike, Jan 27, 2017
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  14. prikker Win User
    WD shuts itself off, when used icw MalwareBytes. Wich is kinda strange, because MBam isn't a standalone AV, but more anti malware and they are not the same if I understand it correctly?
     
    prikker, Jan 27, 2017
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  15. NavyLCDR New Member
    Every computer that a friend has given me to clean off major malware or virus infections has had multiple anti-everything programs on it. I've got a dozen computers in my house with as many as 5 users and I only run Windows Defender. I get maybe 1 computer per year that gets infected with little pop-up window malware that is cleaned by a simple disk cleanup with Windows built-in disk cleanup and CCleaner. I've been using PCs since the '80s.

    My real life experience has shown me that running anything extra is not worth the resources and that no program is going to replace a few simple safe browsing habits.
     
    NavyLCDR, Jan 27, 2017
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