Windows 10: Memory low problem --- are all RAM cleaners really 'snake oil'?

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  1. clayto Win User

    Memory low problem --- are all RAM cleaners really 'snake oil'?


    For a couple of weeks I have been getting 'memory low -- close programs to avoid information loss' warnings. Sometimes I just carry on with no problem, but I also get the machine freezing or crashing. I have a couple of apps which 'seem' to clean / reduce memory usage but usually without solving the issue, plus the usage % reported by one of these is often lower by more than 10% compared to what is reported by SysGauge ( an excellent new program).

    An article I read claims all RAM cleaning tools are 'snake oil' as is often said of registry cleaners. Is this so? Would it be a waste of time trying out some, as I was planning to do?

    My 2-in-1 tablet machine is a 'small memory / storage device' with only 4 GB (nominal) RAM, adding more RAM is not an option. But for 8 months it has run quite adequately for my purposes, smooth and quick (though there are a number of glitches at present). The warning comes when I am only running 1 or 2 programs, plus some Gadgets which I do know can be resource hungry but can be closed when necessary. Often it happens with a browser in use, usually Edge or Opera (again, I know that Chrome is a hog).

    So, I am looking for advice on (a) using RAM cleaners (b) other system tweaks to reduce memory usage.

    :)
     
    clayto, Apr 26, 2017
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  2. nj7_ Win User

    N73 PROBLEMS & QUESTIONS

    1. No. Same to me, with HS-54W - Nokia brand;

    2. It´s RAM low memory. In fact N73 is a memory shame device. N70 have lot of RAM, but N73 not, so all gets close because of low RAM memory.

    3. No problem for me!
     
  3. Shilohbob Win User
    Windows Update Download Speed problem.

    Uninstall PC cleaner application (Advanced SystemCare), 99.9% of these type of applications are purely 'snake oil' apps, and are really of no use whatsoever.
     
    Shilohbob, Apr 26, 2017
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  4. Berton Win User

    Memory low problem --- are all RAM cleaners really 'snake oil'?

    I don't use RAM cleaners except for the Memory Restart add-in for Firefox, handy when downloading videos from You Tube to know when things start to slow down. Otherwise the best RAM cleaner relies on the fact that RAM storage of data is volatile, only works while the computer is on. Shutting down or rebooting/restarting turns off the power to the RAM and wipes out what data was in RAM giving things a clean start.
     
    Berton, Apr 26, 2017
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  5. LMiller7 Win User
    All RAM cleaners, optimizers, boosters, etc, are snake oil. Some are worse than others but none are truly useful. Their only very dubious benefit is to make the numbers in Task Manager more attractive to those who do not understand what they mean. Windows memory management is very complex and efficient and will not benefit from third party add-ons.

    In any event such a program could not help with your problem. Some would make the problem worse, even if only temporarily. Low memory warnings do not refer to low RAM but to a shortage of commit charge. This happens when the commit charge approaches the commit limit. Unless you have a memory leak, impossible to tell from the provided information, there are only 3 solutions.

    1. Run less.
    2. Upgrade RAM.
    3. Make the pagefile larger.
     
    LMiller7, Apr 26, 2017
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  6. (a) About CleanMem | PcWinTech.com™
    By default, the task is set to clean memory every 15 mins, better set it to 5 mins.
    You might also check out Bitsum - but it is more for optimizing CPU, could be useful.

    (b) I do all kind of tweaks, but the memory usage's difference is minimal, a few dozens of MBs, hardly worth tweaking, which might do more damage than good. Disabling superfetch/search might help a bit though.
     
    TairikuOkami, Apr 26, 2017
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  7. *Ditto*Ditto*Ditto What he said..............
     
    indianacarnie, Apr 27, 2017
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  8. Bree New Member

    Memory low problem --- are all RAM cleaners really 'snake oil'?

    4GB RAM is not that small. According to Microsoft's telemetry, 53% of the world's PCs have 4GB RAM.
    https://developer.microsoft.com/en-u...pp-data-trends
    I have certainly not had any memory problems with my 4GB. As I write this I've currently got 9 tabs open in IE and am casting a video to my TV. But then I have a system-managed swap file and plenty of free space on my HDD. Oh, and I have virtually all background apps turned off.
    Settings > Privacy > Background apps
     
  9. Archie123 Win User
    Is your hard drive full? It could be a pagefile issue.

    Edit . Just seen you have plenty of hard drive space :/
     
    Archie123, Apr 27, 2017
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  10. Bree New Member
    I don't think @clayto has actually said how much free space they have, but it could still be a pagefile issue if it is set for a fixed size, rather than letting the system manage it.
     
  11. clayto Win User
    Thanks all ---- some things to work on. The free storage on my C drive is at this precise moment 17.660 GB out of a 46 GB
    total (on Windows partitions ---I also have Android partitions), so I think I am right in saying that it is not likely to be the cause of my memory issue. Although I have been trying to get it back up to 20 GB in preparation for Creators, I doubt that I will succeed now as I have done a great deal of junk cleaning already with effective cleaners, installing / moving all I can to D, the SD card, to external drives, Clouds. I became a 'master slimmer,' with my last 2-in-1 tablet to make upgrading to 10 possible, and the feature updates --- it only had 32 GB storage and 2 GB RAM (a lot of the specs of my current Cube are double(ish) what I had before).

    I will check out CleanMem, the page file, etc
     
    clayto, Apr 27, 2017
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  12. LMiller7 Win User
    Cleanmem will not and cannot solve your problem. The problem has nothing to do with RAM usage. The problem is the commit charge approaching the commit limit.
     
    LMiller7, Apr 27, 2017
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  13. CountMike New Member

    Memory low problem --- are all RAM cleaners really 'snake oil'?

    "Not enough free RAM" is also a somewhat of generic error message when a program tries to write to wrong place in memory or is limited to only specific address range. I've run into that or similar error many tines and upon checking I found that there was actually a lot of free RAM left, it was just that a program didn't "know" where to find it.
     
    CountMike, Apr 28, 2017
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  14. jimbo45 Win User
    Hi there

    Also some of the "More Rubbish" type of 3rd party FREE A/V software can keep hogging RAM and not releasing it --- don't run more than 1 A/V program at the same time --- and people will have different views on this --- but with Ms doing a lot of updates and new releases recently I'd stick to Windows defender for the moment -- and then if you really want to run 3rd party A/V software wait until the development cycle has stablized out a bit.

    Some 3rd party A/V stuff IMO only works by slowing down the machine so much that you can never get on the net in the first place to get infected !!!!! Norton and Macafee (We call it MacAWEFUL) both of which are much beloved by corporations IMO are the worst offenders here.

    Cheers
    jimbo
     
    jimbo45, Apr 29, 2017
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  15. sygnus21 Win User
    A bit late to the party but...

    Yeah, but I wonder of those numbers, how many are non-upgradable laptops vs. upgradable desktops. Example, my 2013 Asus Ultrabook is only 4gig of RAM and can't be upgraded, whereas my desktop is 32gig of RAM. Thus looking at the data, MS sees me as having one PC with 4 gig of RAM, and one PC with 32gig of RAM.

    Anyway, in all my years in PC's I've never heard of "RAM Cleaners"! What in the world *Huh
     
    sygnus21, Apr 29, 2017
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