Windows 10: Microsoft cuts off Windows 10 support early for some PCs

Discus and support Microsoft cuts off Windows 10 support early for some PCs in Windows 10 News to solve the problem; Wooooow... I wonder how much until they stop supporting 2016 / 2017 hardware, and try to force you to ditch your perfectly working PC, in order to buy... Discussion in 'Windows 10 News' started by Brink, Jul 16, 2017.

  1. FerchogtX Win User

    Microsoft cuts off Windows 10 support early for some PCs


    Wooooow... I wonder how much until they stop supporting 2016 / 2017 hardware, and try to force you to ditch your perfectly working PC, in order to buy another one... and of course, trying to force you even more, by releasing malware purposely to infect your systems and practicaly denying your right to work with your hardware... remember the release of those NSA things?

    Now I see where this is going, exactly what I thought, working with OEM's so you buy hardware every year, or at least, ever 3 years...

    Amazing, this was a world full of possibilities, now MS is behaving even WORSE than Apple...
     
    FerchogtX, Jul 17, 2017
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  2. Two 10+ year old desktop PC's running Windows 10 with no issues. AMD CPU's, Athlon II and Phenom II, with as old NVidia Video cards etc in them. YMMV
     
    alphanumeric, Jul 17, 2017
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  3. Tony K Win User
    There's a way to stop driver updates: Enable or Disable Driver Updates in Windows Update in Windows 10 Windows 10 Windows Update Activation Tutorials

    I think in Creators Update (build 15063) Shawn's Option 1 Step 3 has been changed to unchecking one or both of the choices seen in the screenshot below. The other two options will work.

    Could it be that they both can't write a driver compatible with the kernel?



    Microsoft cuts off Windows 10 support early for some PCs [​IMG]



    Here's another:


    Microsoft cuts off Windows 10 support early for some PCs [​IMG]
     
    Tony K, Jul 17, 2017
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  4. sygnus21 Win User

    Microsoft cuts off Windows 10 support early for some PCs

    To me the issue stems from Microsoft's side where they've set the parameter of when Windows should refuse to update. Problem is who are they to say when or what hardware is "outdated"?

    And yes, this seems to be putting the ball squarely in the hardware vendors court. That in turn could be put squarely on the consumer's back as they're now forced to make more frequent upgrade purchases.

    We already see this kind of slinky crap from Creative where they tend to release new products rather than driver update their older products, Ironically whenever MS releases a new OS. Instead of getting workable driver updates for the current cards, Creative pushes out a new product leaving the "old" cards crippled or bugged under the new OS.

    Anyway I'm hoping this is an oversight by MS, and not a new norm. Time will tell in how they address this issue.

    My two cents.
     
    sygnus21, Jul 17, 2017
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  5. So you'd rather have Windows install, and then immediately BSOD on the first reboot? Because that's what's likely to happen with a bad of missing chip-set driver. In most cases it's easy enough to just disable other non supported hardware but in this case we're talking about the CPU. I'm not saying its right or wrong, what they are doing, just think about why they may have to do it. There may be other issues such as performance, reliability, etc tied to this particular issue.
     
    alphanumeric, Jul 17, 2017
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  6. Plain and simple!

    HERE is the reason why the hardware is not supported in the future.
     
    slicendice, Jul 17, 2017
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  7. lx07 Win User
    Microsoft apparently. Windows is supported "for the lifetime of the device" and the lifetime of the device appears to be as long as it runs the currently supported release of Windows 10. A nice circular definition.

    But the fall update could be incompatible and then after 18 months you can't upgrade and Windows gets no more security updates. It isn't that it won't work on old (or any) hardware - it is the uncertainty that is the problem.

    That is the issue with the "as a service" model. You never know how long it will keep working - you just have the 18 months after the last release. Earlier versions support was for a decade. As is LTSB of course.

    Looks like it is going that way alas. It isn't yet as bad as Apple - my 2006 MacBook Pro runs Windows 10 perfectly. The last version of OSX it would install was 2009's Snow Leopard which stopped getting security updates 5 years ago or so.
     
  8. Microsoft cuts off Windows 10 support early for some PCs

    Simply put: Intel has ended the support for these CPUs, which means that there will NOT come any new drivers for those components. It would be plain stupidity by MS to keep supporting hardware that has reached the end of it's support lifecycle.

    Atom processors work a bit differently compared to i3, i5 and i7 CPUs and not to forget AMD. AMD and Intel CPU architecture has not changed much for a very long time. Core functionality in both Intel and AMD mainline CPUs work pretty much the same. Thus old and new CPUs has all the same core instruction sets, and this makes it easy to support ancient CPUs even after multiple generations newer CPUs has been released.

    What comes to Apple...they have always been terrible at supporting a lot of different hardware. But this is also one of the reasons OS X works really well on the hardware it's designed for.
     
    slicendice, Jul 17, 2017
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  9. @lx07 If I can't upgrade I can't upgrade. I got a free upgrade from 8.0 to 8.1, and another free upgrade to Windows 10. And every new build, which is essentially a new OS release, was also free. It's not like Microsoft owes me anything. I went from XP to 7 to 8.0 to 8.1 to 10 on these reliable old clunkers. They don't owe me anything either. *Wink It wouldn't be the end of the world if I had to buy a new desktop PC Or just do everything on my laptop.
     
    alphanumeric, Jul 17, 2017
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  10. I can relate and I totally agree with the above statements.

    Today tech moves forward rapidly and so should to people using it do too, in order to keep up with the development.

    I have a 20 year old computer setup that still works great, but I can't expect to run Windows 10 with touch screen and related services on it. I can however run a lightweight Linux distribution, DOS and some of the older Windows distributions on it.

    That computer is more of an hobby, and it would not make any sense to use it for daily work related tasks (though I could).
     
    slicendice, Jul 17, 2017
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  11. Well i think we need an oficial statement from Microsoft,otherwise this news is more like a fake news,created for attention or popularity,of one or more sites.
    The fun fact is,i installed Windows 10 on some old PC's (from 2004-2006),and i didn't see any issues with them,Those PC's even got upgraded to latest version of 10 (1703)
     
    MariusPetran, Jul 17, 2017
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  12. This is a fact. It is hardcoded into Windows. As I mentioned earlier, Intel Atom Z CPUs compared to all main stream AMD and other Intel CPUs are very different.

    Biggest difference is the integrated graphics, which requires drivers and Intel does not provide drivers for these blocked CPUs.

    If we really think about this, it's the driver version that is blocked, not the CPU itself, thus the message stating that the "software will be uninstalled". Same messages appear for old AMD, NVidia and Intel drivers and many old system software.
     
    slicendice, Jul 17, 2017
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  13. Berton Win User

    Microsoft cuts off Windows 10 support early for some PCs

    My MacBook Pro is from Mid-2010 running a Core i7. It started with Snow Leopard and has had every version of Mac OS X except Lion, now running the latest/renamed macOS Sierra [no longer OS X]. Most of the Upgrades were inexpensive, about $29, until Apple made the last few free.
     
    Berton, Jul 17, 2017
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  14. sygnus21 Win User
    Do I really need to answer this question? Please re-read what I wrote.
     
    sygnus21, Jul 17, 2017
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  15. I don't have a legal background either but wrote the above post based upon life experience and it doesn't make me laugh when people begin talking of lawyering up. There are always lawyers looking to chase stuff and human beings looking for an opportunity to slip on a banana and sue. Put the two together and you get a suit. How a judge and jury will decide in any given case is anyone's guess and that isn't as it should be, as you say you don't understand the McDonald's case decision, nor do I; nonetheless a cousin of mine has a husband that worked as a paralegal on that case and argued with me that the woman had a strong case. I still disagreed with him. Go figure, but this isn't a matter I take lightly because it is one of the many things that makes for arbitrariness in the US legal system, a characteristic it should not have.
     
    wordsworth, Jul 17, 2017
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