Windows 10: Microsoft May Already Have a Reliability Strategy

Discus and support Microsoft May Already Have a Reliability Strategy in Windows 10 News to solve the problem; IMHO, they dropped the ball. Way to many glitches are getting released in the consumer releases. One has to wonder how is it possible that they do not... Discussion in 'Windows 10 News' started by Brink, Sep 9, 2016.

  1. Winuser Win User

    Microsoft May Already Have a Reliability Strategy


    I totally agree. Especially the part about last minute changes.
     
    Winuser, Sep 9, 2016
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  2. gtspeck Win User

    I am not an insider but I provide the data to MS. It's easy to complain but more important to be part of the solution.*really
     
    gtspeck, Sep 9, 2016
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  3. Steve C Win User
    If only Microsoft followed best software QA practice. They do have ISO software accreditation don't they? Maybe its time for a quality audit?
     
    Steve C, Sep 9, 2016
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  4. OilerNut Win User

    Microsoft May Already Have a Reliability Strategy

    I think the huge problem is that Microsoft dumped a bunch of the internal QA team, relying on the public to beta test their software.

    Sure the public does help testing builds on a wide variety of hardware and software, but I would say only a very very slim minority actually dive deep into it and do any kind of real testing. When it comes to enterprise level stuff I am willing to bet it's not being tested at all, private enterprise isn't going to waste their time and money on testing for Microsoft. Also the internal QA team would have more experience and access to more debugging tools and know what exactly got change and be able to stress test/kick the crap out of it.
     
    OilerNut, Sep 9, 2016
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  5. Cliff S New Member
    Not true, knock yourself out and have some fun too*Smile: Debugging Tools for Windows (WinDbg, KD, CDB, NTSD) - Windows 10 hardware dev
     
    Cliff S, Sep 9, 2016
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  6. Windows 10 is ending up to be a constant work in progress. It's a never ending fix it, break it, fix it, break it? Don't get me wrong, I like Windows 10 very much. I just wish they would actually finish what they started, then roll in the new features. Get control panel all moved into settings for example.
     
    alphanumeric, Sep 9, 2016
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  7. BunnyJ New Member
    The ever changing life cycle was the plan with 10,, at least that was/is my understanding. The big difference is that with previous versions of Windows the updates were few and very far between but now they're almost non stop, insider builds. FWIW, I like this approach more than the previous one. It was painful to wait a year or more to get major updates.

    And.. so far I'm not having any issues.,.. luck??
     
    BunnyJ, Sep 9, 2016
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  8. Winuser Win User

    Microsoft May Already Have a Reliability Strategy

    This is OK for Insider builds and one reason why I joined. It's not in MS's best of interest to release to the general public any updates or upgrades before they are ready. Any updates or upgrades should not introduce more problems than they fix.
     
    Winuser, Sep 9, 2016
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  9. BunnyJ New Member
    How long would you like them to wait before releasing new things and/or updates??
     
    BunnyJ, Sep 9, 2016
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  10. Winuser Win User
    For the General public? Not until most if not all the bugs are worked out. As Insiders we volunteered to test out new features in Windows 10 and know ahead of time that we may encounter problems. The general public just wants a OS that works. Don't forget that MS did their best to either convince or sneakily force people to upgrade. IMHO a working OS for the general public is not asking for to much.
     
    Winuser, Sep 9, 2016
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  11. BunnyJ New Member
    The issue still is that there's really no way to make sure all of the bugs are out of a new build. While it would be nice to have a bug free OS.. I don't see that occurring.
     
    BunnyJ, Sep 9, 2016
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  12. I agree with all of the above but! There have been some big gotchas slipping threw the cracks. Like I said earlier, how is it they don't show up in the insider builds but crop up at the last moment when a consumer build is released? They were patching the last insider build days before it became the consumer build. And more patches right after it was released? Isn't the whole point of insider builds so the kinks get worked out before it hits consumer PC's? What part of the puzzle am I missing?
    Put all the new features you want in the insider builds, but at some point you have to draw a line in the sand and stop adding stuff. Then fix what ever is broken. And don't wait until the day before releasing it to the consumer side to do it. IMHO the AU was not ready for prim time.
     
    alphanumeric, Sep 9, 2016
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  13. BunnyJ New Member

    Microsoft May Already Have a Reliability Strategy

    The AU did receive lots of testing when it was in the insider program and I don't know how much more testing is needed. If you're missing any part it's that it's impossible to test the OS on every possible PC part combination and set up that users have. If fewer people with a wide variety of PC's test then the test results via the insider program are not going to be as good. The solution.. well people need to either get more involved.

    If you recall the last few months before the AU came out no new features were added and the only thing that was being done was bug repairs.
     
    BunnyJ, Sep 9, 2016
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  14. Winuser Win User
    No new features were added but MS had to make some last minute changes somewhere before the AU was released. MS needs to learn that even though most Insiders expect to encounter problems the general public doesn't. They just want a OS that works.
     
    Winuser, Sep 10, 2016
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  15. Cliff S New Member
    The biggest problem users are having with the AU is, the OEM's have not updated their certificates for their drivers, before Microsoft tightened the screws(which they said they were going to do loooong ago). So it was the OEM's that dropped the ball and not Microsoft, who is trying to make our systems safer, and protect against kernel mode Rootkit Malware.

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    Kernel mode

    Kernel-mode rootkits run with the highest operating system privileges (Ring 0) by adding code or replacing portions of the core operating system, including both the kernel and associated device drivers. Most operating systems support kernel-mode device drivers, which execute with the same privileges as the operating system itself. As such, many kernel-mode rootkits are developed as device drivers or loadable modules, such as loadable kernel modules in Linux or device drivers in Microsoft Windows. This class of rootkit has unrestricted security access, but is more difficult to write.[27] The complexity makes bugs common, and any bugs in code operating at the kernel level may seriously impact system stability, leading to discovery of the rootkit.[27] One of the first widely known kernel rootkits was developed for Windows NT 4.0 and released in Phrack magazine in 1999 by Greg Hoglund.[28][29][30] Kernel rootkits can be especially difficult to detect and remove because they operate at the same security level as the operating system itself, and are thus able to intercept or subvert the most trusted operating system operations. Any software, such as antivirus software, running on the compromised system is equally vulnerable.[31] In this situation, no part of the system can be trusted.
    A rootkit can modify data structures in the Windows kernel using a method known as direct kernel object manipulation (DKOM).[32] This method can be used to hide processes. A kernel mode rootkit can also hook the System Service Descriptor Table (SSDT), or modify the gates between user mode and kernel mode, in order to cloak itself.[3] Similarly for the Linux operating system, a rootkit can modify the system call table to subvert kernel functionality.[33] It's common that a rootkit creates a hidden, encrypted filesystem in which it can hide other malware or original copies of files it has infected.[34] Operating systems are evolving to counter the threat of kernel-mode rootkits. For example, 64-bit editions of Microsoft Windows now implement mandatory signing of all kernel-level drivers in order to make it more difficult for untrusted code to execute with the highest privileges in a system.[35]
    Rootkit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
    Cliff S, Sep 10, 2016
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