Windows 10: More local account trouble

Wolfgang, I would say that the answer Is it is not important. MS displays it as important because they want you to use it so you can use their apps.

 

... and one mouse click is all it takes never to be shown again.

 

I guess we don't really know why MS figures that it is IMPORTANT. I'll do the mouse click and be done with it. LOL But it will continue to puzzle me because it is beyond my understanding.

 

Maybe you should E-mail or call MS support and see if they can give you a satisfactory answer. I doubt anyone here on this Forum can answer it. Personally I think it's just a scare tactic to get you to use a MS account.

 

Hi Wolfgang,

Do you have a Microsoft account on that computer as well as a local one?

I had a problem in Windows 8.1 which may be related. I was trying to login, without a network connection, using a Microsoft Account. And it would not let me log in- it gave me a message about needing to use the most recent password, even though I know I was using the right password (it's a newish account and I've never changed it).

It's as if the local copy of the password was incorrect/ out of sync, and therefore I couldn't log in offline (I was grateful I had a local account on that occasion). By logging in online a bit later, it seemed to fix it and it works offline again.

So I wonder if the message you are seeing is warning you that, for another Microsoft account on the computer, the password has gotten out of sync. It's therefore important because the user of that account wouldn't be able to login offline.

I guess you could test that theory by disconnecting the network and seeing if you can login to the Microsoft Account offline. (My theory falls down if you don't have an MS Account on that machine, of course!)

 

LJ, I posted the question on the feedback system.

 

Hi David, thanks for explaining your scenario. I do have a MS account for my 8.1 systems but not for this W10TP. I was trying to see how one survives without a MS account.

As far as I can tell up to now, it is probably a 'false positive'. Nothing to really worry about. Maybe it is just a plain bug or a plain bugger.

 

Good. I'd like to know the answer as well. It will be interesting to see if MS responds.

 

I just saw someone posting the troubles he ran into when he accidentally signed into a Microsoft account from a local account installation (in Windows 8). Interesting.

Accidentally created a Microsoft account for Windows 8 - now are settings gone - Super User

 

I got burned with that too when Win 10 converted my local account to a MS account when was trying to report problems. I had to convert it back, redo some settings then create a separate MS account before I had everything straightened out again. Very painful.

 

Here is another victim of this account mess.

Windows 8 Store Broken... 0xc03f40c8 - Super User

 

In 10061, the install process moves local account to a new category
"Owned by my company". The other category is "Owned by me" and only lets you create a MS account sign-in.

This is a bit duplicitous in that I own the computer, but the only way top create a local account is to lie and tell Windows that my company owns the computer.

+Correction
In 10061, the install process adds two categories, one for business use, and one for personal use. I looked at "This computer belongs to me" and saw the Sign Up button. I looked at the "This Computer belongs to my company" and saw the familiar Create account link (which was known to get you to the local account option)-Correction

I'm in the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) world - all MS needs to do to make me happy about this subject is to follow their own User Account rules. There's no implied good or bad about the choice made (local versus MS Account), nor is it an argument on the benefits of a MS account.

It is simply about a clear an unambiguous choice. (Of course MS has buried the local account one level down on the Add User Account - at least they're being consistent, albeit, IMO, in the wrong direction)







re: the Security message . MS categorizes levels the way they choose - WU often has important updates that aren't all that important *Wink
I'm not getting the message you posted Wolfgang, so I wonder if it was resolved the first time I logged in to my MS account to install apps on 10061.

An interesting observation: Excel Preview was brain dead until I signed in using my MS account. It would open an existing spreadsheet, but nothing could be modified. The filename in the title bar was NOT appended with (read-only) ... but it is a Preview, so I checked the file and it was not read only. I put this issue aside and at some point later I was connected and logged in to my MS account - fired up Excel Preview and everything worked!

Once Excel was working, it continues to work whether or not I'm connected or logged in - beats me why it needed to touch base - there wasn't an update. Perhaps it was just home sick *Smile

Turning off MS account msgs isn't a good idea IMO. This is a nuisance message, but what if there are msgs that you SHOULD take action? Better would be to determine if logging in to your MS account resolves the security message being displayed.

Is there an app that needs some 'refresh' that might be causing the "You have to log in" message (Excel, in my case)?

That's all I can think of - if I had the same notification I might be of more help.

Good luck.

 

The whole account business is a mess. They tied too much to the MS account. Both options should be equal except for the sync ability. I do not understand why they make it so difficult to operate with a local account.

 

It really seems it is impossible to get this through to you geeks: Windows 10 is designed and intended to be used with an online account, a so called MS Account, which can be compared with a Google Account you need for an Android device and Apple ID needed for iOS and MacOSX.

As a goodwill gesture from Microsoft, the conspiracy theoretics, users with a cloud phobia and other "I won't be forced to use this" lot out there can still install Windows 10 using a local account, although in my honest opinion especially after reading these threads you would be better of if you stopped complaining and using Windows 10 and migrated to Linux.

Two sentences, three invalid and untrue statements. For the first, the company option is meant to be used if you need to sign in with organisational credentials, for instance your workplace's Office 365 for Business or Enterprise account.

Then the three invalid and untrue statements:

• This company credentials sign-in option came already with build 10041
• The local account option was not moved anywhere
• It is of course not only possible but also the intended way to create a local account by selecting "This device belongs to me". It might be that the four mouse clicks is too much for some users but anyway, the instructions on how to do it can be found for instance in a Ten Forums tutorial (Step 22), or in a post I made over a month ago. "Inspired" by your post now I even made a video about it today:

That's it for now.

 

The fact that Google does it does not make it right. But you are correct, Linux looks better every day - maybe one legacy Windows 7 in virtual to run the few Windows programs where there is no good Linux alternative.