Windows 10: MS just did it: kissing Internet Explorer goodbye

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  1. MMO
    mmo Win User

    MS just did it: kissing Internet Explorer goodbye


    I don't know exactly what MS did to Internet Explorer - and probably it wasn't just a single change but several small changes - but in the last month it became more and more tedious to browse the web using Internet Explorer.
    Again and again I just got a "This webpage cannot be displayed" result only to witness that the very same pages always rendered perfectly fine using Google Chrome or Firefox. If MS worsened the user experience with IE in order to "push" me towards Edge: they failed. Whenever I tried Edge I gave up after at most 10 clicks. This thing simply isn't there, yet!

    After I just had filled a complicated Webform and - after pressing ''Next" to continue to the next process step - was again sent to "Cannot be displayed"-land this was once too often! Good bye IE! I liked you a lot, but enough is enough!

    I just defined Chrome as my new default browser...

    :)
     
  2. BillCh65 Win User

    Processes causing high CPU use

    Those 2 processes are INTERNET KILLERS!. Everytime they run, kiss your internet goodbye!. They prevent loading of any webpage, and any site you might be on at the present, you are dead in the water. I do not want these processes to run, PERIOD!!!.
     
    BillCh65, Mar 3, 2017
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  3. megirgin Win User
    E71 Camera Flash Doesn't Turn Off

    I did not have this problem but let me tell you this, before you take your phone to a nokia care center and kiss it goodbye for a week or two, try formatting your phone first. if it doesnt work, try reinstalling your firmware. Only then, if it still doesnt
    work, take it to a care center. I rather waste an hour with firmware update to try to resolve a problem than kiss my phone goodbye for a week or two.



    I hope this helps. Cheers. MS just did it: kissing Internet Explorer goodbye :)
     
    megirgin, Mar 3, 2017
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  4. Mystere Win User

    MS just did it: kissing Internet Explorer goodbye

    I don't understand this comment. There is very little that Edge can't do that IE can do, other than ActiveX, which neither Chrome of FF can do either (and for good reason). IE is only there for backwards compatibility with ActiveX.

    Can you explain, exactly, what is so bad about Edge that makes it unusable to you? The "10 clicks" bit seems like you're not really giving it a chance to overcome your muscle memory, much like many people complained about how horrible the start menu is, after never using it and always going to Classic menu and such.

    FYI, I've had similar problems in previous builds with Edge (sites not being found, that Chrome has no problem with). That's the nature of using insider builds, sometimes they are broken. Those problems went away in the last few builds. I also suspect they would have gone away if i'd done a clean install as well (I think there was something gummed up, that incremental upgrades was not fixing).
     
    Mystere, Mar 3, 2017
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  5. Berton Win User
    The main reason I still use IE is for many Microsoft pages that keep throwing errors in Edge but not in IE. I'm sure that is slowly changing to make them compatible with Edge.
     
    Berton, Mar 3, 2017
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  6. Mystere Win User
    What errors? When Edge was new, there were a lot of sites that thought Edge was IE, and therefore sent it incompatible HTML optimized for IE. In fact, TenForums was one of those sites (the editor had various problems with Edge). This was the fault of the sites, not Edge in most cases.

    I haven't seen these kinds of problems in a long time though. Other than ActiveX, what errors are you talking about?
     
    Mystere, Mar 4, 2017
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  7. z3r010 Win User
    That's not the case, Edge has it's problems all on it's own an it's not due to being sent IE code as you can't because it doesn't recognize IE compatibility headers.
     
    z3r010, Mar 4, 2017
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  8. Mystere Win User

    MS just did it: kissing Internet Explorer goodbye

    There are basically two ways to optimize a site for a specific browser. One is on the client-side, using compatibility comments or headers (or javascript), the other is called "browser sniffing" which is when the site itself figures out what browser it is, and sends specific code for that browser, which is server-side.

    Despite the fact that browser sniffing has been frowned upon for years, lots of sites still do it. And this is where the majority of the problems occur when a new browser version comes out.

    For instance, some web frameworks keep a database of browser agent strings, so they can determine the downlevel compatibility, and they literally render HTML different based on these strings.
     
    Mystere, Mar 4, 2017
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  9. I for one have never had any trouble with Edge from the first day it appeared and it installed.
    IE11 always had trouble with that and never had to 10 clicks so the OP must be doing something wrong.
     
    hTconeM9user, Mar 4, 2017
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  10. kipper Win User
    I find all browser to suck.....

    Tried them all and I have the same problem with every dam one of them.......find myself sitting in front of the dam things reading all dam day when I could be doing something important.......like watching TV.......
     
    kipper, Mar 4, 2017
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  11. MMO
    mmo Win User
    Well - I ran into LOTS of issue that I am simply unwilling to be burdened with:
    • It can't handle the IE plugins. I know - for a good reason - but that decreased its usefulness for me dramatically. E.g. due to that I can not run Flash, I can not run my BookMark sync tool (XMarks), I can not run Java, I can not run my proxy-switcher (I very often have to deal with different proxies), etc. etc.
    • As I had to learn (I am occasionally creating webpages and then run the webserver either locally or in a VM on my development system) for some odd reason it can not connect to "local" HTTP servers, i.e. if I direct it to some URLs like http://localhost:8080 (local web server) or http://192.168.123.10:8080 ("local" VM running a webserver) such, then it can't handle that. I googled around on this and I am not the only one observing this.

    In short: the browser as such may be OK and better adhere to web standards, and what not but it's eco-system isn't there (yet). So, to contradict your statement: there is *quite a lot* that Edge cannot do that IE can!
     
  12. jimbo45 Win User
    Hi there

    trouble with ALL browsers is that they rely on the TARGET / 3rd party sites to be able to supply code for all possible scenarios --obviously not possible so there has to be a compromise.

    For example if you use SKY GO then you will need IE11 because it needs Silverlight for some sort of DRM -- not saying good or bad but just the way it is. Some Banks won't recognize "Non standard Browsers" such as Opera / Pale moon etc also.

    So choosing a browser means not only security but also what you want to do when you've logged on to the appropriate website.

    As far as speed etc is concerned = there's so many variables like your own ISP internet service quality (Internet speed) , load on the remote website etc etc that speed comparisons between browsers are essentially 100% meaningless in any case.

    Cheers
    jimbo
     
    jimbo45, Mar 6, 2017
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  13. BBoozer Win User

    MS just did it: kissing Internet Explorer goodbye

    That is easy. In an Enterprise environment that has their networked locked down and supplies their own internal DNS, Edge (and for that matter the App Store) simply does not work. It cannot resolved DNS without being pointed to the open internet. Most companies are unwilling to do that. So we have to override all Edge browser settings and replace IE as the default to be able to hand the end users a functioning computer. Since they are locked down and not allowed to install their own software, the inaccessibility of the App store behind a corporate firewall is acceptable.

    This is a major design flaw. One that Microsoft is aware of shortly after rollout of Win 10 and has no plans to fix.

    All the end user can get on Edge is:


    MS just did it: kissing Internet Explorer goodbye [​IMG]
     
    BBoozer, Mar 7, 2017
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  14. MMO
    mmo Win User
    My experience with Edge is, that's it's even worse: Even if I enter a host name to the ...\etc\hosts file I get the same "cannot reach..." error. And not even entering a numeric IP address helps! I don't see, why what this things has to fiddle with any DNS (or whatever service) if I enter a *numeric* IP address!
     
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