Windows 10: Multiple System Images using Backup & Restore - advice?

I have a requirement for a machine that can easily be reimaged to various versions of Windows (all 32 bit). This PC gets lent out, to be reimaged on return. It is also used as a reference machine for support purposes, so the systems should be 'pure' Microsoft (meaning Backup & Restore for the system image rather than the more reliable Macrium Reflect). As I may need to switch images while away from base I want the images to be kept on another partition on the same HDD. For some added protection this partition has no drive letter while out on loan.

I have made such a system with Windows 7, 10 (1511) and 10 (1607) images. I can reimage from any one to any other in about five minutes, but the process is a bit clunky and requires booting from different media depending on which image is to be restored. I want to make this process self-contained and would like to remove (or at least reduce) the need for multiple external boot media.

Problems found (and worked around) so far:

Multiple images can be made in D:\WindowsImageBackup (provided each image is of a machine with a different name). However, under some circumstances not all the images will be recognised as available to be restored. This seems to happen most often if one of those images is for Windows 7. One acceptable solution is to keep a separate WindowsImageBackup for each version, renamed to WindowsImageBackup<version_name> when not in use. These can be renamed (or better still copied - keeps the image safe from being modified/lost) to WindowsImageBackup when needed for a restore.

In Windows 10 there is a subtle difference between booting to the recovery environment from a USB recovery drive or from Advanced Start-up via Settings. When using Advanced Start-up, before you can start an image restore you have to provide the name and password for an administrator account from the system you want to overwrite. Booting from a recovery drive doesn't ask this.

There is a problem with Advanced Start-up on my version 1511. Whatever account or password is tried, it always comes back with 'The password is incorrect. Try again'. 1607 has no such problem, it checks the password successfully. 1511 did work once but only had the September cumulative update then. Subsequent updates seemed to break it. Asking for the password to a system you going to wipe seems a little pointless. Especially as the same system can make a recovery drive that will go straight to restoring an image without the account/password step.

1607 and 1511 seem happy to restore each other's image, but Windows 7 is a law unto itself. The W10 recovery environment can see W7's image, but says it cannot be restored because the OS architecture doesn't match. Restore is only possible by booting from the recovery CD (it doesn't know how to make a USB) made by Windows 7 Backup & Restore itself.

I already have a workable method, but where I'd like help is in streamlining the process. Ideally I'd like to boot the PC to the recovery environment of my choice without the aid of external boot media. Failing that, I'd like to reduce my collection of CDs and USBs down to a single USB with a choice of recovery versions at boot. As explained above, the images must remain pure MS. Other tools could be used to create a multi-boot USB but the recovery environment(s) it boots to must be pure Microsoft.

Also, if anyone knows a fix for my 1511's 'bad password' problem in Advanced Start-up that would be a help too.

:)

 

Unable to Restore a Previous Backup

I'm unable to restore system backups and image saves all of a sudden.

I get this error message at the end of the restore process:

"System Restore did not complete successfully. Your computer’s system files and setting were not changed."

I attempted to restore multiple backups and system images with the same result.

I even did an image save and then tried to restore that image save with the same results.

What can I do?

Thanks!

Don

 

Windows Backup Image Restore in Windows 10

Oct 12, 2015

Dear Microsoft:

I upgraded my computer from Windows 8 to Windows 10. I have never had Windows 7 on this machine.

Your Backup & Restore labeling is confusing. Why??

QUESTION: Does or does not the Windows 7 Backup & Restore program work for Windows 10 systems? Can or can I not make an image of my Windows 10 machine with the (Windows 7) Backup & Restore Program and then restore that image onto a new hard drive when
my current hard drive inevitably crashes. The (Windows 7) program SEEMS to have created a bona fide image, but I have not tried to restore that Windows 10 system image to a new hard drive using the (Windows 7) Backup & Restore program.



PLEASE may someone from Microsoft answer this, and then please update your knowledge base articles. It is SUCH a basic concern.

The following is background for my question:

1. My understanding is that only an IMAGE will restore everything including OS, programs, settings, & data. So this is what I want to create. Am I wrong?

2. All queries I make within Microsoft websites regarding "restoring from an image file" leads to the following, which says it is for Windows 7.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/restore-computer-from-system-image-backup#1TC=windows-7

3. From Control panel in Windows 10 -> the backup & restore option goes to this: "Control Panel\System and Security\Backup and Restore (Windows 7)."

* There does not seem to be anything for Windows 10

4. Upon querying "Backup & Recovery Options for Windows 10," I find this, which does not mention image files but rather describes something called a recovery drive and some other options I find confusing.

"http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/windows-10-recovery-options"


5. The options listed for "Recovery Options in Windows 10" are the following. None of these options relate to Image files saved to external media, and therefore NONE OF THEM (as I understand it) can restore a computer to a new hard drive.... the
key number one thing we users need in a backup.

* Restore from a system restore point

* Reset your PC

* Go back to your previous version of Windows

* Use a recovery drive to reinstall Windows

* Use installation media to reinstall Windows



I mean, really. So, so, so much information and capability, yet no simple mention as to whether the Windows 7 Backup & Restore program (which is what you get from within Windows 10 Control Panel) works to create & restore Windows 10 system images.

It seems it might but you do not say so & users cannot take chances with such an important issue.

Thank you.

 

I think your main purpose for that computer would be better served if your full images of your various OSs are on an external HD [or two], and that you usb or dvd boot your choice of backup/restore program, be it Macrium Reflect or anything similar. Windows Backup/Restore works great for many and no so great for many others - a mixed blessing en toto.
Regarding the password situation - others here much more in the know can help you there.

[addendum: supplied a missing word]

 

I use EasyBCD for this. Store ISOs of the different bootable rescue media in a folder and add them to the EasyBCD boot menu.

 

Installing Macrium Reflect adds itself to the Recovery Environment partition, so the images would no longer meet the 'pure MS' requirement I'm afraid.

The images are remarkably small (just Windows plus Office). The largest is for 1607, at just 14.5GB it fits on two DVDs (which is how I've been reimaging up to now). Part of this small size is achieved by turning off hibernation and the pagefile before taking an image, to be turned back on after restoring. Keeping it 'all-in-one-box' means less to carry (or risk loosing) while 'in the field'.

 

Bree, it's my experience that Macrium Reflect does not backup either hiberfil.sys or pagefile.sys.

 

Yet another plus point for Macrium Reflect (Backup & Restore does include them in the image). But as stated in the OP, the images are required to be 'pure MS' and Macrium would be included if installed to be able to make the images.

 

In the end I made a USB that can boot to the recovery environment of choice by making separate folders for each set of boot files and a batch command file to move the desired one to the root of the USB before using it to boot from. @Fixer's post got me thinking along the lines of having separate folders for each, so thanks for the inspiration (even though I took a different approach). Mine may not be the most elegant solution, but it does the job without 3rd-party tools, meeting my requirements better.

I've allowed one bit of 3rd-party software onto the PC, albeit only on the Data partition that stores all the system images. It's Alexander Beug's USB Image Tool, a neat little utility for backing up and restoring USBs. Now I can easily recreate my boot USB 'in the field' should the need arise.

The inability of the 1511's recovery environment to handle passwords I fixed by going back to the beginning and starting over. I restored the original Windows 7 image then upgraded it to Windows 10 (1511) all over again. This time round its recovery environment worked as it should have in the first place. Of course, this in turn cast doubt on my 1607 image as that had been made by upgrading the old 1511 one. To be safe, it too had to be done again.

I'm marking this solved as I have a solution that suits my needs. I still have no idea how 1511's RE got corrupted and ceased to recognise passwords. I'd still be interested to hear if anyone else has seen this obscure problem, and if so could you fix it?

 

Addendum: this machine now has a couple more system images to choose from, the original release 1507 (aka 10240) and now the Creators Update 1703.

 

Additional: and now it has 1709 too.

I regularly restore images, check for update and save the new updated image. With so many versions I restrict that to just updating the currently supported ones each 'Patch Tuesday' - 1709, 1703, 1607 (and less frequently Win7).

The update to 1709 from build 16299.64 to 16299.125 at first appeared to have broken the MS built-in System Image function. Repeated attempts to save a new system image would end with the error 'insufficient storage to compact image'. No matter how much I deleted from the destination partition I could not get it to work. What did work in the end was going back to a 16299.15 image and updating that directly to 16299.125.

Subsequent investigation of the error code revealed that the "storage" it was short of was not in fact the disk space but memory. There are a few cases where a swapfile is not good enough, only real RAM will do. This was one of them.

TBH, I've been constantly amazed that Windows 10 even runs on the 1GB in this machine (but it does, and quite smoothly). But making system images is a crucial task for this machine - a memory upgrade is now on order.

(Oh no! Now I'll feel obliged to make 64-bit images too - even more work! *Sad )