Windows 10: Question about Windows 10 UEFI BIOS with Secure Boot

So, basically if we have a computer that doesn't have a UEFI BIOS with Secure Boot, then we can't upgrade to Windows 10? Am I right or wrong here?

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Boot error on Dell Inspiron 15 3000

Power up while pressing the Dell F1 or F2 key to access BIOS setup or UEFI Firmware. Report back settings for Boot Priority Order, UEFI, CSM, Legacy BIOS, and Secure Boot.

There is an issue where WIndows Update or a version Update can force an MSAHCI driver which toggles the BIOS/UEFI to AHCI and actually turns on UEFI and Secure Boot on an install with UEFI firmware that has been installed in Legacy Mode. If so, in addition
to SATA setting the UEFI settings and Secure Boot need to be disabled while the Windows hard drive needs to be set first to boot. But if your install was to UEFI or you have no UEFI then it doesn't apply.

What You Need to Know About Using UEFI Instead of the BIOS

Once that is ruled out then everything is sequenced here for
Troubleshooting Windows 8 and 10 Failure to Start - Microsoft Community.

Feel free to ask back any questions and let us know how it goes.

 

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Do you have a UEFI BIOS? Look for UEFI settings on all tabs to enable. If you see no UEFI, CSM, Legacy BIOS, Secure Boot, or Windows Boot Manager in the Boot priority list then you have an older BIOS and don't need to worry about it.

 

I know when I updated to Build 10041 I had to set up Secure Boot on my motherboard BIOS before it would work. That was not the case in any of the previous builds. But given the number of older PC's I hope not.

 

could be just for newer machines as lots of old bios machines still about doubt MS want to upset millions or people with not being able to upgrade to windows 10 as there said lots of time they want everyone on the latest versions of windows

 

Wrong.
I updated my Windows 7 (just for testing) with UEFI and Secure Boot disabled and everything is fine.
One guy I know here ( @TechnoMage ) is using a decade old machine to run Windows 10 (is that right TM?).

 

I have an old Dell E520 with P4 processor and win 10 runs on that. Certainly this mobo/BIOS has never heard of secure boots or UEFI!!!

 

Well, let's just hope secure boot with UEFI is not required. I've just been reading online about it.

 

Not at all, Jesse. I have two laptops with Legacy BIOS and both have Windows 10 on them.

I just finished installing Build 10041 and according to instructions, I had to disable Secure Boot before installation.

Edit: Once installation was complete, I then re-enabled Secure Boot like the 'structions said. *Smile

 

Hi there

currently running on an OLD system with ASUS Mobo and AMD Phenom processor -- secure boot or UEFI wasn't even THOUGHT of when this system was built. !!!!!

Running X-64 ENTERPRISE GB version.

Note though even with SECURE boot and UEFI you CAN also install W10 by simply disabling the Secure boot.

Tested on an HP laptop.

(if you format the boot HDD / SSD to MBR rather than GPT you don't even need to use UEFI enabled either).

Finally if Ms go the crazy route of forcing secure boot - I'm sure this will kill zillions of users who use this OS in a VM or even corporates using Virtual Desktop Integration schemes -- in a VM you can enable UEFI even on a non UEFI machine with some VM type software (VMware for example) but you can't yet enable secure boot in the VM's Virtual Bios. I think the whole secure boot thing will just be a "nine days wonder" and disappear from discussion soon. Ms will USE it but won't ENFORCE it.

Cheers
jimbo

 

*Smile *Smile Everything I've got is old, just like me! rofl

Yes, I know I've said it before, but let me say it again, "Windows 10 seems to have GREAT backward compatibility, with older hardware".... "it comes with a really Great driver package".

It even picked up some add on cards that I have in my PC, like a USB 3.0 PCIe card and it installed my Epson XP-410 printer, without me having to load the drivers. I just think that's 'SO NEAT!'.

If I install XP on this PC, I have to dig out a whole stack of driver disks. That sucks!

I've installed Windows 10 on five different PC's, so far, and they all are over 6 years old, with standard BIOS. No Problem!

I've said this before too: "If MS doesn't screw it up, Windows 10 should breath new life into older PC's, for people who can't afford a new one."

Cheers Mates!
*Cool

 

I think you should post your speccy as a proof for everyone to see . lol...

 

How have you guys/gals been installing win 10 on old comps? I went the ISO route on my Dell and got the 5D error, NX bit type of problem, even though the BIOS had a yes against that setting.

I got around it by booting from a utility boot CD and then running sources\setup.exe from the ISO disk.

 

Are you using 64-bit or 32-bit ISO?

 

I used the 32 bit ver but may try the 64 bit one as a test.

Edit:- may be a bit more complicated than I thought. Seems as if the windows boot disk I was using is the deciding factor over whether a) the ISO will install and b) whether it will take a 32 or 64 bit install. Has to be the same 'bittedness' as the Win OS it is seeing.

In summary, this method is not a true bare metal install at all. If you are going to use a utility windows boot disk to install a 64 bit system the boot disk has to have 64 bit code.

Mine is just a test setup so no problem but I am interested in TechnoMage's methods.