Windows 10: Solved - Win 10 Anniversary Update 1607 - The Worst Ever?

This one has to be the worst of them all. It has taken us back to '90s era when we had to do such stupid things such as take out USBs while installation, install drivers and do backups and all that stuff.

Few days back i decided to install the Annversary Update ie. 1607 update as people said it had many new and improved features. But unfortunately it turned out to be my worst ever Windows experience EVER. Even worse than the Windows 98!

Following unsolved issues which i have been facing so far:-

1) Initially it refused to update and i had to download the HUGE update again and again and again. Subsequently i realised that like old old days i had to remove the wireless receiver of my mouse/keyboard to complete the installation.

2) Even though the installation is complete, 6 out of 10 times windows gets stuck on the black screen and process ONLY if i remove the wireless usb receiver.

3) Cold boot and resuming from hibernation now takes AGES! Prior to the 'much awaited' update a cold boot took around 50 seconds and resuming from hibernation tool hardly 15-20 seconds. Now cold boot takes around 2-3 minutes and resuming from hibernation takes around 1.5-2 minutes. It always gets stuck on the login screen and processes the entered password as if it is negotiating from servers situated on Pluto!

4) My reliable tp link wireless adpater automatically gets unplugged every 2-3 hours or so. I have to unplug replug to make it work everytime.

5) *reserved for more stupid performance issues*

I am happy to be a part of this active forum. guys if anyone of you could solve any one of the above mentioned issues then i would be mooore than happy.

Regards

Edit: Solved all my issues by doing a Clean Install.

:)

 

Windows 10 updates

Hi, I've confirmed that my PC is compatible with both the Win 10 November update (1511) and the Anniversary update (1607)

 

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My version of ser2ph64.sys works just fine with Win 10 version 1511 too. It just won't work with Win 10 version 1607, the Anniversary Update.

 

Have you checked in Device Manager to see if you have any driver problems. It could be that some of your problems may be fixed by updating drivers. If that doesn't work you can try a repair install to see if it will fix your problems. Repair Install Windows 10 with an In-place Upgrade - Windows 10 Forums

 

i have checked it and there are absolutely no driver updates for my system. if you remember the old days of windows 98 then it was in those times that we had to worry about the drivers. Since windows xp came, thinking and worrying about the drivers became a thing of the past. Windows 7 mastered the art of managing almost all the drivers of its own.

Then why again the issue of drivers in Windows 10??

Anyways my problem still persists...

 

Where did you hear that worrying about drivers is a thing of the past? Sorry your problem still persists. I have fixed a few not driver related problems by doing a repair install. It may be worth a try. If you try it make sure you read and carefully follow the guide. If done correctly you won't lose anything except hopefully your problems.

 

will give that a try...

btw if you try to recollect win 98 days then plug and play was non-existent. Win XP onwards plug and play thing came into existence and you could connect a device with almost 80% of its functionality by just plugging it in the usb port. Win 7 mastered that art as more and more devices were made compatible with it. For eg. any printer, any mouse, any digi cam, any webcam, scanner, usb ups data system, you name it and it used to work without worrying about installing drivers from a CD/usb.

Win 10 brings back the horror of '90s. Win 10 experience has so far been very very disappointing. One reason could be that now microsoft focuses of a unified system, one that works similarly across all devices such as your phone, tablet, laptop, desktop, touch screen monitors etc. So somewhere the 'soul' of desktop Windows has been substituted by that of a phone/tablet. See, previously you could double click your mobile broadband connection to get conencted. now you have to single click it, then wait for a new window to open and then you have to click the Connect button!! wow is this called forward thinking??
In networks section again, you could simply double click any wifi network to get connected. Now you have to single click its name and then again single click Connect to get connected.

Control pannel is all messed up. Some features working in control pannel while some of them have been shifted to the new bogus App system which is damn buggy! you never know where do you have to go to find a specific feature/system, in the old control panel or in the new App thing.

The only thing progressed so far is the number from Win 8 to Win 10. Nothing more!

 

Windows 10 is still in it's infancy stage so it' experiencing growing pains. Even with the help of the Insider Programs it seems like for every problem MS fixes a new one pops up. Windows 10 will get there. It's just going to take time. IMHO and it's only a opinion, Windows 8 should of never been released. Windows 8.1 should have been the first release. And I'll probably get a ear full for this one. Windows 10 and Edge was released to the general public way before it was ready.

 

I agree with every single word you said.

I hope they fix it soon!

 

Plug and Play came into existence before Windows 98. The situation with Windows 98 and drivers was due to the hardware of the day that folk tried to run Windows 98 on - ISA architecture, which was generally not plug and play compliant, com port serial devices, parallel ports, and only partial compliance with the newly introduced USB 1.0. Not only underspecified old hardware, but often inadequate system RAM, because their old motherboards could not support more than 4 MB, or less.

Hardware devices and peripherals connected with these old architectures often required manual setting of jumpers for memory ranges and IRQ channels, and gave people like me a living sorting these problems out for them.

XP was fantastic because the hardware and devices and the software to run them all came together at the right time and at a reasonable price, and there was a huge expansion in the growth of the PC market. Devices and drivers for them were current and Plug and Play had truly arrived.

Windows 10 driver problems are worse than with with XP and Windows 7 in their day, because device manufacturers have decided not to support their old devices by writing Windows 10 compatible drivers. Why should they, when they are selling better new devices, often at a fraction of the cost those legacy devices were purchased at originally?

If you want to use legacy hardware, don't upgrade, simply because your 10 year old PC* is able to run Windows 10 at a basic level.

Upgrade your hardware devices and peripherals instead if you want to take advantage of the new Windows OS, until you are ready to buy a modern system.

Rather than a pointless rant about how bad Windows 10 1607 is, why not try to use the Experience and Expertise of Tenforum Members to help you with your Driver problems?

Firstly, fill in your System Specs FULLY, and which Windows version you upgraded from.

Then explicitly describe your problems with individual Devices and their Drivers in the Hardware and Drivers Forum, preferably one device per thread. Maybe you will get some insight into why your update was a disaster.

If you solve these fundamentals, then your Instability and Performance issues may go away. It may be as simple as you may need to ditch that Wireless device for something more compatible and supported by its manufacturer for Windows 10.

*This is an example only - I am not commenting on your system since you give no description of it.

 

I have already posted the details of my issue in the first post.

For example we have to take out the wireless logitech usb receiver to complete the update process. Are Logitech wireless keyboard/mouse legacy hardware?? Is the logitech unifying receiver a legacy hardware?

Common...this is 2016! dont make people feel like '90s.

 

As long as you leak sparse details like the Logitech brandname, which has been around for 34 years and has been making Wireless mice for probably half that time*, and you do not give precise details, you will not get any satisfactory replies. it is as simple as that.

We don't make the OS here - we just give our free time to help genuine, polite people, who want to be helped.

*edit - since 1991

 

Currently there is one major issue which is really bothering me. I have a TP-Link TL-WN822N v1.1 wireless adaptor. As my windows is x64 so i have been running it on Win 7 x64 drivers and before the anniversary update things were running smoothly. After this update the wireless adapter completely switches itself off ie. the lights on the adapter turn off as if there is no power. I have to unplug-replug to regain connectivity. This is happeneing randomly at say 40 mins. to 1 hour intervals.

Things which i have already tried:-

1) I have unchecked the 'Allow system to turn off this device to save power' option.
2) I have disabled the USB suspend feature through the Power options.

Still no luck and extremely frustrating. I hope microsoft doesnt push its customers to purchase new hardware with every major update.

Any help would be appreciated.

PS: Currently there are no Win 10 drivers for this device from the manufacturer.

 

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I have Windows 10 on two different computers, but I only have the Anniversary Update (AU) on my laptop. On my laptop, I haven't had any issues, however as shobhitk mentioned in a following post, my laptop is a 2 in 1 - so it goes from laptop to tablet, complete with touch screen. I can say I'm happy with it on my laptop.

However, all of my issues are on my desktop and like shobhitk, I have more problems with Windows 10 than I ever did with say Vista on my desktop (and that's saying something cause I thought Vista would be the death of me). In order, starting with the beta and then official version -

Wouldn't install, either through Updates, USB, or Media Creation Tool formats. The only way I solved it was using a method someone mentioned about unhooking my DVD-ROM. Then it worked.
Wouldn't activate, despite upgrading directly from Windows 7. I had to downgrade back to Windows 7, then update again to get it to activate.
DVD-ROM refused to work
Sound stopped working

As of now, as I have whatever version between 1511 and 1607, my major problem is my PC refuses to stay in sleep mode and if I manage to get it in to hibernate, it freezes upon coming out. I had this problem earlier and what fixed it was downgrading the Intel Service Manager Engine or something driver. HOWEVER -

I recently upgraded my graphics card from an ATI Radeon to what I really wanted, the NVidia 970. I did this on a Friday. Everything was fine with my desktop until about Thursday morning (so nearly a week later) when it froze coming out of hibernate. Other than the addition of the graphics card NOTHING had changed. All drivers were up to date and at that point, Windows 10 was updated, Avast was working just fine (other than annoying pop ups), etc. In fact, a few months beforehand, I reformatted my PC, so everything was fresh.

Everything I have found to fix this issue, I have already done. I think the only thing I haven't was to disable fast boot. And just to confirm that this is just my desktop - I basically did everything on my desktop the way I have it on my laptop. Yes, I had the same sleep issues on my laptop and the only thing I did, I believe, was to downgrade the ISME driver. Fast boot is still checked under power options and on my laptop, it's set to sleep.

Speaking of sleep, now when I put my PC to sleep (my desktop that is), it'll wake back up after...let's say a few hours, however my monitor doesn't come back on. The computer is on - lights, HD, fan - but the monitor acts as though the PC is off and goes back into sleep mode. When I had this issue before, I could just turn on the monitor, get the log in screen, and tell it to go back to sleep.

So in summary on THIS issue:

• Putting PC into sleep causes it to wake up, but monitor does not respond. Have to turn computer completely off.
• Taking PC out of hibernate will cause it to freeze; not even hitting the reset button will make it come out. Have to turn off computer completely.

Now, in my frustration, I wanted to upgrade my desktop to the AU because, I don't know, maybe for once Microsoft would fix something on my machine instead of breaking it. Nope. Tried it last night and -

• Install froze at 24%. Hard froze, reset button did nothing.
• Had to turn computer off completely.
• Take at least 2 minutes before hitting on button actually turned on machine
• Windows 10 reverted back to previous version.
• Encountered previous sleep/hibernate issues

I even read this morning a post from InfoWorld that literally told people to delay or skip the AU if they could. That is not at all good, not that Microsoft cares or anything. Every forum, even M$, I ask about these issues has really ridiculous suggestions - ie, like unplugging the DVD-ROM or removing all USB devices. Next update, I'll have to stand on my head and hold my nose so the install doesn't stall at 72%.

And with that, there's always someone that's like "it's a new OS and there's gonna be bugs" but you know what? This isn't M$'s first OS. It's not even their second. In fact, most of the features from their last OS are in this one. It's 2016. If you aren't aware of the most common things people are using on their computers, you're just not paying attention. And agreed - not everyone has switched to pure tablet computing. And even if a household was nothing but tablets and smartphones, there is NO business environment that's doing that. So to complete disregard desktops is mind-boggling to me.

Let's talk about my desktop (for further info. Sorry, the rant started and I forgot to mention this earlier) - Optimus Prime is his name and I built him four years ago. I have since upgraded his innards, so now he has -

• third generation i5 CPU
• 8GB of RAM
• new NVidia 970 graphics card
• 500GB Samsung evo 850 SSD
• ASROCK motherboard with RealTek audio, Intel graphics onboard
• AC WiFi card
• Diablo Casing with 5 fans
• ASUS gaming 24 inch monitor
• Logitech Wave wireless keyboard and mouse combo
• Game Stop Xbox USB controller
• Logitech 2 set speakers with subwoofer

Optimus is both a work computer and a personal one. In terms of work, I work remotely, so I'm routinely using software like Office, Skype (which I hate), Web Ex, FileZilla, Chrome, etc. Personally, I use Chrome everyday; I'm a gamer, so I have Steam always running - that was the reason I bought the better graphics card was for gaming. I also use it as my main entertainment center, so I watch Netflix, I use the Emby app for my DVDs (seeing as I can't use Media Center or a damn DVD drive anymore).

This list shows some of the most common peripherals people use - NVidia, Samsung, Logitech, Intel, RealTek, etc. There is NO excuse as to why any of these shouldn't be supported. The problem is M$ isn't doing any sort of testing, releasing these things and then expecting users to do their own testing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but before their 'insider program', did they not test anything before releasing it? i'm sorry, I stupidly thought as a leading tech company of software, they would actually have the money to do their own testing of things.

I can only guess that they probably are testing this, but on Surface tablets, which of course is their own brand. What they should be doing is testing this in actual real live environments - build a computer with different components (again, I assume they have actual technicians, who learned this stuff), buy an HP laptop or a Dell desktop (you are partners, aren't you?), again, I'm guessing that the actual employees have computers. Are they all using Surface tablets? No one plays non- Microsoft games at Microsoft?

Look, the rant may seem as though I don't like Windows 10. I do, I really do. I like that Microsoft finally woke up and now lets you sync your preferences from one computer to the next, without the hassle of setting up everything all over again (though, the fact that it took them a year to do that with Edge is ridiculous. I don't care if it's a new browser, Chrome and Firefox are the reason IE bit the dust. They should've had syncing and extensions when first released). I enjoy the live tiles, like weather and news (and by that I mean the 3rd party apps I'm using).

But yes, Windows 10 is one part foot in the now and future and three parts foot into the distant past. It seems like they only fix things when their name is being dragged in the mud because so many users are having problems. How long did it take for Samsung to recall the Note 7? A matter of days or weeks, IIRC. M$ still hasn't fixed half of the issues people had while in beta, nearly two years ago. This could've worked if people didn't have any other choice - at the time it was them or Apple and that was mostly software. But now you have Linux, you've got Chrome - I won't lie; if Google put out an OS that let me use the programs I need for work and play, I'd switch immediately. And it could work, seeing as most of the stuff I use has Android app versions. The only major thing would be games, maybe, but I don't see that as being too bad as I think Google works well with Valve.

Back to my own issues - apparently, I won't get the AU until November, so I guess I don't care on that, but my main issue is sleep/hibernate. Talk about staying in the past - if I wanted to shut my PC down every night, I'd roll all the way back to windows 95/98. I don't want to do that, especially if I was working on something and plan to pick it up the next day. I want my PC to go back to hibernating and waking up when I tell it to. Why is this so difficult?

 

I love rants. I guess folks need to unburden themselves rather than try to get stuff fixed sometimes. *Smile