Windows 10: When it comes to Windows 10 privacy, don't trust amateur analysts

It is highly unlikely that MS would litigate inflammatory claims, in general, as claims open them to a great deal of scrutiny. I can not see Forbes or MS going to court over this. A retraction may be enough to settle it. However, if MS and Forbes were to go to court, MS could possibly produce proof that the analysis done by Mr Crusty was garbage, but Forbes could then ask the court for MS to produce W10 code for analysis and that is something they would be very reluctant to do.

 

I think if MS had any legitimate grounds to pursue litigation they would do it in a heartbeat and therein lies the quandary. No litigation or threat of litigation = No Justification

 

Having spent the past four plus years in litigation, I can tell you that Microsoft won't pursue something as trivial as the Forbes article. When you sue somebody, you have to weight the odds. I don't doubt for one moment that Microsoft would win; however, at what price?

The litigation I'm still involved in doesn't affect me financially; however, the guy who's paying the bills has spent approximately $180,000.00 so far and it's not over yet. When all is said and done, we'll win, but the cost will have been way too high.

 

Thanks to Gordon Kelly's persistence, Microsoft has responded and seems to be yielding to the "amateurs"' claims... somewhat. From what I gather, they'll be giving more control over what data is sent back. But it seems like it might only be for Enterprise.

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Yes, it is only for Enterprise.

One thing that needs pointing out is that as Insiders, we need to cede control to Microsoft. In order to become an Insider, I signed off on Microsoft's requirements. Thus, I have nothing to quibble about as far as privacy goes.

Other than that, several someones have problems with their HP printer drivers (I haven't checked mine yet). So far, my Brother Laser printer's drivers have to be reinstalled with each new Insider Build and I don't like that.

That said, the July 29 RTM and the November RTM are horses of a different color. At the very least we need control over drivers installed on our systems when Windows 10 RTM updates! As with the Insider builds, we need complete control over our drivers!

The bottom line, though, is that if we disable all of Microsoft's telemetry, we don't get our systems (whether they be Insider or RTM) updated.

 

WHO says the information is innacurate? All I read here are ALLEGATIONS against the article and the writer.

I asked for detailed information indicating WHY the claims in the article are incorrect -- and have received NOTHING along those lines.

We have folks here who brand every article slamming Win10 or MS as inflamatory -- or worse -- but it would be refreshing to actually see someone come back with facts that clearly indicate why the claims in the articels are false.

Just like claiming something is true doesn't make it so, claiming something is false also does not make it so.

One claim is that the article writer didn't know anything about networking. OK, so if that is true, tell us WHAT the writer wrote that was incorrect, and WHY it was incorrect.

 

Did you read same article? Because It explains quite clearly what kind of traffic was confused with telemetry or "spying", and what was wrong with Mr.Chrust testing methods.

 

Here is what I posted over at seven forum, which will possible confuse people.

Hmm, I don't know what to think on this recent update. I am really confused because I know some stuff about networking which makes Ed Bott looks more correctly but then this article comes along, said Microsoft will make a tool to disable the tracking later this year which makes Ed Bott look wrong. This is just my confused opinion.


Microsoft makes windows 10 u turn

 

Did you read the article? It's very detailed, and filled with the facts. I can't understand how you would say this if you'd read it.

 

Groze, don't be fooled. *Smile There's no way that Microsoft is going to capitulate to a single unknown factor such as Chesus Crust. The fact is that they've been listening to feedback from the Enterprise sector.

I don't think I have to defend Ed Bott, who thoroughly researches his information before he writes. As far as this guy from Forbes trying to save face . . . need I say more?

 

Not in this article. He dismisses the trivial errors (which were already dismissed in the comments in Voat linked to by Forbes) and then ignores completely the meat of the story with this comment:

and then goes on to to say absolutely nothing about it.

Sure Cheesus wasn't right by doing a feeble test and nor was the Forbes guy repeating it.

Ed Bott though, swinging his handbag around, copying the comments from the original source (not Forbes) to counter some of the siller claims and then ignoring the point (which some people are rightly or wrongly concerned about) only makes it worse.

You don't have to defend him, no. He could defend himself though if he put in a bit of effort rather than just sounding off like a moaning minnie, did his own research and actually answered peoples concernens.

As it is we have:

Tin hat: Microsoft are spying on us
Ed Bott: No they aren't
Tin Hat: Are too. And the NSA
Ed Bott: I can't believe I have to say this again - are not. I copied it off the internet.
Tin Hat: Are. And the CIA. And moon landings were a fake.
Ed Bott: You talkin about my mum? You are too stupid to learn. Better I link to your article.
..
and so on

 

Thanks *Smile

 

*Roflmao2*Roflmao2*Roflmao2*Roflmao2

 

what i am curious about the article is that he claiming that microsoft "retrying" to connect

while mr. crust said that within 8 hours windows calling 5500+ times. (to 51 microsoft ip?)
if i making joke with basic math, windows is like retrying 11 times/minutes lol
it making things looks urgent to be sent

and this

so if windows10 not allowed to call home for validation it DDOS itself ? lol

 

Why not? If you want to get a connection and it isn't available you wait and then try it again. How else are you going to know? Take over the web-cam , look out of the window and wait until you see some Microsoft intern running down the street with a flag?

I'm a programmer and my default wait if I don't get a connection or answer is 5 seconds (that is 12 times a minute). I reduce that significantly if I think an actual user will use the software (rather than some other program waiting for a job to finish) as believe me 5 seconds with nothing happening is a very long time.

To answer your question though, yeah, I think you need to look at you math.

No it doesn't. You do need to activate it (either internet, KSM or phone) but you don't need a connection to remain activated.