Windows 10: Win10 10586 Kills Game Performance?

I have pondered this but then I found this, see here
Not sure what to do now!

 

Right I don't think VM page file has been anything to worry about a lot since x32 Windows with 1-2 GB of ram I don't even think about it anymore and just let Windows worry about it but I wouldn't disable it either nothing to gain there and it's better to have than not .

 

In my opinion the page file has no impact on gaming. Whether you have it or not makes no difference. BTW I still have my page file, even though I have 32gig of memory.

 

The pagefile was designed for older computers back when 512mb was considered enough. Now that 8gb is the current sweet-spot I think most users can safely disable it.

 

Right on the old PC 512 MB ~ 2 GB ram + page file stuff .......I don't even think about it either way these days aside from the W10 page file implementation with the compressed page file ram casche I just leave it be it might be cool on a 4GB ram configuration when it gets busy though .

Right gaming / CPU pre rendering memory probably isn't happening in the page file anyway these days if u got any ram and if you only have AMD APU or Intel IGPU graphics you might as well just play Candy Crush Soda or something like that or be a console slave ! ☻☻

 

Oh no a beta played worse on an older o.s than a released product that has had proper optimization... well we got a sherlock here...
And Hdd writes are no big deal if v ram is set up right, you put the v ram on less active data drives instead of primary drives as a gaming machine tends to have drives doing nothing whereas the ram being used more for storing stuff has more overall impact upon gaming where as prev versions stored the junk in v ram rather than physical ram.

Win 10's defaults are terrible too, defaulting to having superfetch on which in half the machines out there actually slows things considerably.

But yeah the new memory compression rather than using vram is terrible for a system set up like mine so I'm lookin to turn it off

 

FWIW the updated SWBF late beta and release were about a week apart so whatever.. but then there is the DX 12 API thing or maybe you never heard of it OTOH I'm not so sure it applies to SWBF anyway ☻

You seem to be stuck in the XP x32 512mb system ram past regarding a page file and the superfetch stuff anyway .........

I quit fooling around with that stuff on XP x 32 and 512MB - 2GB ram FWIW turning off superfetch never did anything good for me in fact it was detrimental in a lof cases when I did it and it wasn't only me .

Earlier we were fooling around with all this stuff back in the day and overclocking Celeron 300A's up past 400 MHz !

Sounds like you been reading FUD on the superfetch and page file as it applies to anything beyond and ancient P4 or Athlon something like that on win xp32 and 512- 2 GB GB Ram ☻.

I think you are confusing vram with the page file virtual memory ....presumably the GPU doesn't use the page file VM that's what V ram is for or no? ....unless U got an AMD APU or Intel IGPU without much V ram or much else beyond playing Candy Crush in which case without a dGPU you would be (much ) better off with a console anyway .


You probably won't see any gain turning the page file or virtual memory off on gaming or anything you got enough ram for most gaming and plenty of other stuff ,the page file aint nothing much gaming wise unless you got something configured wrong too many apps running or more likely some driver issues instead .

Nothing wrong with your system specs for *some gaming* but you ain't going to be playing SWB @1080P ultra & high settings on that rig at any playable frame rates ......your CPU ( APU ) isn't the greatest gamer out there but it will run it , your dGPU ain't bad but not up to SWBF as well as some of the others .


TBH gaming wise ......You might even be better off with a PS4 ☻☻☻

Sure go ahead and put your page file back on metal only or disable and turn off superfetch either way and then come back and ask someone what's really slowing your gaming down !

 

i have issues with my games too, after a couple of minutes playing my fps drop to half wth is going on?

 

If your specs are what ur gaming with a G force 540M isnt exactly a game card it cant even play the newer Sim city games at 1080p . What are trying to play on it anyway ?

TBH a PS4 or X Box one would give you a lot better game play but then you would be a console slave ☻☻

 

i play diablo 3 and divinity original sin, and i was playing just fine before this update i know my laptop is bad but i was able to play with 40 fps and now for example when i play divinity for a couple of minutes my fps drops to 9 ¬¬ and i repeat i was playing just fine before this update

 

I wasn't paying attention and didn't stop to think the Geforce 540M was a laptop dGPU it's not like you're going to be stuffing a 150 -300 watt gaming dGPU in the average laptop . ☻

Have you tried the latest Nvidia reference drivers for your GPU ? OTOH sometimes even win 7 drivers can work better you never know with a new OS . might want to look in taskman and see if there are any unusual apps or background processes using up hdd,ram or CPU if you haven't already maybe look at your start up processes in taskman also .

I'm using Win 7/vista drivers for my sound card the ones Windows picked out for it corrupted the OS and I had to format/clean install on Insider build 10029 back in Feb.

 

same here.. most notible game i see this change in is Archeage... been trying to diagnose the massive performance hit i got in that game. i could run it very well with barely any drops or stuttering.

now im getting quite alot of stuttering and frame freezing as well as in certain areas that i know i could pass through without any problem, is now giving me major problems in terms of loading in etc

first i thought it was my GPU and drivers... Nope!
changed back my 3D settings for my graphics card via the control panel... Nope!
then found the game was oddly going to 100% disk usage (Like alot)... checked and seen pagefile was also a cause.

at this point im also 100% certain that "System and compressed memory is a direct cause for this"

Windows 10 is now ruined for me in certain areas

 

mmm bummer .... I'm playing SWBF @ 1080P/60 ultra along with Crew and some other games fine on the HP p7 i7 2600K ,16GB syst ram box with the Nvidia 2GB GTX 680 dGpu & G27 wheel or a game controller or KB and mouse on 10586.14 it's a 7 x64 licenced upgrade not a W10 10586 upgrade /W10 11082 dual booter daily driver like this one .

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well its certainly caused alot of problems for me... my friend is on 16gigs of ram and his System and compressed memory is running at 12.7MB's

meanwhile mine is running at 127.4MB's and this is for general browsing.

i had no issues playing my games that i played just fine before the update yesterday... now i feel like this process is partially responsible,

i know it is because because whenever im running a game like archeage for example.. that SACM process (system and compressed memory) is hogging up a good chunk of 400-600MB's of ram while my game is running normally at around 300 (when alt tabbed) and around 600-900MB's when playing.

and for the system that im on thats pretty bad.

would also explain all the page filing that occurs during this time, which causes very very bad performance through housing zones in that game. zones i know i should be fun running through with barely any hiccups. yet i get consistent severe frame drops and even the game freezing to catch up on its self!

 

127 MB of VM is nothing in the virtual memory store even on 4 GB of ram it shouldn't negatively impact anything. The Windows 10 virtual memory compression store shouldn't be depreciating gaming (or anything ) and if you have at least 1GB of vram that's enough to frame buffer 1080p/60 for a lot of games.

The reason you are using a bigger compressed virtual memory store than your friend is he has more unallocated ram at any given time it's actually a benefit for a system with less ram not a negative .

FWIW the virtual memory store & compression hasn't changed in W10 for a good while since one of the 105xx builds .

The Windows compressed virtual memory store is small and reduces much slower hdd read/writes when it's active. As I understand it ,it takes less priority than system ram ... IOW If you have a shortage of RAM, the virtual memory compression will not be used anyway.


Have you used a detailed process analyser to look at the running system as a whole and during the affected gaming ,it's unlikely the V.M. compression is the issue ......It sounds like a HDWE bottleneck or core function scheduling or something else or things like unneeded processes or services or unneeded startup processes running in the background that might have appeared with the latest upgrade and have you disabled Onedrive in startup and running processes they turn it on each time you get new build ☻

Maybe try turning off notifications ,live tile notifications and uninstaling UI apps you aren't going to use and looking at running and startup processes or maybe installing another 4GB of Ram even if you have to borrow it from another PC temporarily . W10 x64 likes 8+ GB ram but it runs reasonably well (to a point) with 4 GB.

good luck