Windows 10: Windows 10 from the ground up

As for the second line there the "FixMeStick" or whatever for only .... is the new miracle worker for pc slowdowns, finding bugs the av programs can't remove.... " daaaaa... A former Symantec Security Analyst I keep in touch with uses...? Bit not Windows Defender free version and Zone Alarm Free version as well already knowing how to manually remove any bugs! The first part there however about seeing the small updates tended to first are generally what will prevent a newer Insider build from downloading or installing once already downloaded until those are seen to. Been finding the WD, Malware removal tool, and C++ Visual updates one of the three if not two of the three will be a regular sight for each newer Insider build going on and generally are the first seen on any clean install unless you leave the get all updates box unchecked where then you have manually run around for updates for any fresh 10 install.

With recently and brand new laptop models since last fall it will either being seeing 8.1 or 10 coming with it. Some are totally new models introduced during the early fall that will only be seeing 10 unless like I was mentioning early on you order from Dell who had been offering the choice of OS. Some companies held off introducing 7 capable new models that also handle 8, 8.1 since they wanted to support only 10 as well as see the latest newest version on the latest models since this has been in the works since 2014. when MS of course informed the OEMs what they were planning long before the Tech Preview and Insider builds emerged.

As far as how clean any system runs isn't simply the number of programs but how many disk errors that can appear as well as wear and tear on anything other then a brand new drive for example. More importantly is how much impact each startup sees in comparison to what a particular system has for general resources. The impact pertains to cpu time demands as well as how much ram is taken off of the top as for how much impact will be seen on the overall performance.

When planning out the present build now entering it's 6th year it was to see 16gb since the previous 4gb run case ran into the "out of resources" problems when going to run multiple VMs at times. As for gaming 4gb was still plenty since there isn't any super boost in performance seen when going from 4-8 or even 4-16gb as seen here to mention! You simply end up with an abundance of unallotted memory addresses as well as moving up from a dual to quad cpu in the changeover. Next build might see the Octocore? or simply say to myself for what? 10 hasn't become a "Memory Hog" of any type getting a Bloated OS reception despite it being a larger then 7 dual platform OS.

When shopping for anything premade you first weight it up against what your actual needs are before spending out top dollar in what is called Bargain Hunting to get the same for less by shopping around for not only best prices but "Best Options Available" at any given time according to personal needs. As for custom builds you plan things out a bit ahead of time rather then simply rushing at things to look at the long range usages.

Here for out visiting when not having the time to set up the 10 laptop with usb powered speakers simply to run some web content like YouTube clips a fast move at a 2gb Tablet would likely suffice. I have a nice pair of 128gb flash drives for on the go quick saves as well as still having an external drive as well as internals on the pair of desktops. Or I might another use for the extra $$$ that would be spent for something else. But these are still "options" not the "meet the actual needs first" considerations being mentioned. Don't need 1000 theories on how to see that done.

 

Windows hardware specs going up for the first time since 2009 | Ars Technica

It is possible that Microsoft is in the process of requiring new Windows 10 computers to actually be designed for Windows 10. A sticker starting that a device is Windows 10 compatible does not mean that it is built from the ground up for Windows 10: it only means that Windows 10 will run on it. As of this date (May 24, 2016) all Windows 10 computers being sold are Windows 8.1 machines with 10 installed at the factory.

If MS is forcing manufacturers to come out with better machines, that are actually built from the ground up for Windows 10, consumers will benefit.

 

Vince, again, I'm not sure where you are getting your info, or why you keep insisting that a computer is built for an OS. Given your comment above, how do you explain our Latitude E7250s that come with Windows 10 installed?

I'm trying to be polite here, but please give up the terms "built for" and "ground up". I'll repeat, there is no such thing.

Hardware specs are going up slightly...because that's what they do. The more an OS "does" the more hardware it will need behind it. There are no stickers that mean a computer is meant to run an OS.

Please stop with the "built for Windows 10 from the ground up" comments. There is no such thing. There will be no difference in these "new" systems as compared to what's on the shelves already.

All you are doing is posting incorrect and misleading information, over and over.

 

I just bought my daughter an Asus R554 flip book yesterday. It came with Windows 10 Home (10240) installed from the factory, a Windows 10 Home product key in bios, and a Windows 10 certification sticker on it. After I imaged the hard drive and exported drivers, I wiped it and clean installed Windows 10 Pro (10586). After installing, all the unknown devices and devices with exclamation points in device manager updated directly from the internet. So I don't know why Vince keeps insisting on pushing his "built from the ground up for Windows 10" point. The fact is - it just doesn't matter.

 

DeaconFrost writes "Please stop with the "built for Windows 10 from the ground up" comments. There is no such thing."

As of today, May 24, 2016, that is correct.

"There will be no difference in these "new" systems as compared to what's on the shelves already." That is incorrect. The new systems will have higher minimums, making them better-suited to run Windows 10. The current crop of new Windows 8.1 machines run Windows 10 very well, but a machine designed from the ground up for 10 will do better.

 

Seriously? Obviously the hardware increases incrementally....that's always been the case. But that has nothing to do with being built for a specific OS or not. That's the nature of technology. Every cell phone revision is a little better and more efficient than the one before it. That's how this industry works.

Again, that has nothing to do with being designed for a specific OS or not. Back when OS releases were a few years apart, Dell, HP, etc all continued to refresh their lines every few months.

There. Is. No. Such. Thing. As. Designed. For. Windows. 10. From. The. Ground. Up.

I'm not sure we can make this any clearer.

 

Speaking of errors, I had posted the statement "The touchscreen software is part of the Windows OS..."

NavyLCDR responded " Drivers are the responsibility of hardware manufacturers, not Microsoft. OP credibility rating now moving exponentially more negative."

For those who came in late, a driver is a software program that is written. It tells a piece of hardware how to operate. A driver is not built by the manufacturer; it is not a piece of hardware. Dell, HP, Acer, etc., do not manufacture drivers.

If you have a Windows machine with a touchscreen, the drivers are a written part of the Windows operating system. They are not a manufactured part of your machine.

 

No it won't. You take a computer "designed from the ground up" to meet the minimum specifications for Windows 10 and a computer with a processor 4x more powerful and faster, twice as much RAM, SSD instead of hard drive and dual crossfire graphics cards with 8 GB video RAM which was built running Windows 7 and then upgraded to Windows 10 will absolutely smoke your "designed from the ground up" minimum Windows 10 spec computer.

"Designed from the ground up" for Windows 10 is only a marketing falsehood, but even if it weren't - again - IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER!

 

Tell the "Built for 10 from Ground Up" to Dell and then see where you get fast? NOWHERE! Dell as an only too well known long time OEM manufacturer as I have already pointed to earlier offers the "Choice of OS" on "Any" new system when ordered directly from them. That has been one of their competitive offers since Vista days when many rejected the then new larger OS from ME, 2000, or XP upgrades. They then made the offer more permanent later.

Hardwares for desktops have been progressive for the longest time as the competition grew not which new version was seen out but instead saw a fast struggle for faster turnovers in newer hardwares while the same versions like the extra 3yr. wait for Vista to arrive while XP was King back then before 7's arrival with the new MinWin kernel which proved to be the game changer overall. 10 has been a progression of that was well as a much needed improvement on the dual hardware platform type OS where the OS what was rebuilt for the existing as well as newer hardwares when it comes down to the Tablet, Mobile platform over the standard desktop. laptop type OS previously seen.

The OS was build around the hardwares not the other way around with the hardwares built around the OS. Sorry! But when 8 first arrived it immediately got the Bad Rap of people not wanting a "Mobile OS"! when they were still quite comfortable running XP, Vista, and 7 or a combination of previous! The UEFI factor didn't come about for 10 either but 10 as well as 8, 8.1 had to be worked out to work with that type of change from Legacy type bioses! Yet if the manufacturer where it "Really Counts" has support for the older version as far as driver support for the hardwares you can run the older version on the brand new stuff as well as the latest! That's where to look! You first have to see what the company will be supporting and in some cases look into to seeing if they will support a particular previous version or not by direct inquiries

 

Navy, there is no denying that the very expensive, very souped-up Win 8.1 rig you describe would outperform a budget machine designed for Windows 10 (whenever one comes out). But that proves nothing-- a super souped-up Windows 7 rig will outperform a budget Windows 8.1 rig. And super souped-up Windows 98 rigs outperformed budget Windows ME rigs.

And with computer power doubling roughly every 18 months, after three years that machine would only be middle of the road. That's why I advise most users to buy cheap laptops and middle-of-the-road desktops. By the time you can actually use all that high-tech power, you can buy a standard rig for much less.

 

Wrong.. really. Let's say that you get a graphic card made by any big manufacture they do more than make the hardware. They also write the code that makes up the driver. When the driver is completed and tested it's sent to MS to be included in the OS for instillation when the OS is installed onto a PC.

In the case of a touch screen the driver is written by the mfg. that designs and builds the hardware. MS does not write the software for the driver and that applies to all of the hardware.

MS can't write all of the drivers for all of the hardware in existence as you are claiming. Let's say you need a driver for a keyboard.. I needed one to make my K-40 light up properly. I went to the Corsair site to get the driver not an MS site. They made the hardware and they know the requirements needed to make it work. That's why they write the driver.

I really hope you stop posting this blatant misinformation.

Jeff

 

You are wrong again, as you have been told numerous times in this thread but you continue.

First, I doubt if anyone here needs you to tell us what a driver is. Dell, Acer and HP also do not manufacturer hardware components, but they do rewrite the drivers from the manufacturers to modify them. Those component manufacturers the OEMs buy from are the manufacturers of the hardware and are the ones who write the drivers for them. The manufacturers of the hardware are responsible for writing drivers for that piece of hardware, not Microsoft.

 

http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/do...-screen-laptop

Interesting article on why you should not buy a laptop with a touchscreen. You get a higher price with a poorer appearance, lower battery life, and more weight.

Touchscreen? We don't need no stinkin' touchscreen! Not on a cheap laptop, anyway.

Incidentally, I got this from the Microsoft website: "Windows will use your firmware and its own HID driver to enable touch and pointer capabilities for your device and furnish the Windows touch and pointer APIs with access to your device." Granted, that is only for windows 8, but the touchscreen drivers are part of the Windows operating system. They are not part of the manufacturer's system.

 

Exactly what does this mean?

 

You writing a book Vince?
Writers often research their topic first.

Hardware drivers: Windows Hardware Certification - Windows Hardware Dev Center

Device OEMs (mice, Kbd, printers, scanners, monitors, disk controllers, network controllers, graphics controllers, USB controllers, ...) , write base drivers for the hardware. This software is written to the specs of the chip in the device and the OS they run under.
There are drivers for Windows, drivers for Mac, drivers for Linux, ...

PC manufacturers might modify a driver further, within the specs of the device - most don't

Microsoft runs the hardware and driver against a fairly exhaustive test suite and when the driver is certified stable, it can be packaged with an OS or delivered by Windows Update. But MS only supplies the delivery mechanism.

The only drivers MS supplies with an operating system are very base generic drivers that allow the OS to be installed (mouse, Kbd, Display, Disk/Disc, and USB 2.0) and updated (Ethernet).

Windows has, for quite a while provided OEM drivers through Windows Update. With each OS, MS has improved the accurate identification of devices, thus delivering the best driver.

MS has basically said to device mfgrs
"Give us the device and the driver - we'll test it and we'll deliver the driver to the machines"