Windows 10: Windows 10 & Windows 7 Dual Boot - Can it be done

Discus and support Windows 10 & Windows 7 Dual Boot - Can it be done in Windows 10 Installation and Upgrade to solve the problem; In Windows 10 C:\ do you have a hiberfil.sys file? Is there quick boot option in your BIOS? Where is the hiberfile.sys. Believe it is a hidden file.... Discussion in 'Windows 10 Installation and Upgrade' started by Nolly1959, Jun 22, 2017.

  1. Nolly1959 Win User

    Windows 10 & Windows 7 Dual Boot - Can it be done


    Where is the hiberfile.sys. Believe it is a hidden file. Yes, there is a Fast Boot option.

    Later ....

    Both Fast Boot and Secure Boot are disabled.
     
    Nolly1959, Jun 27, 2017
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  2. tracit99 Win User

    Open Control Panel and choose File Explorer Options Click the View tab.


    Windows 10 & Windows 7 Dual Boot - Can it be done [​IMG]

    Under Hidden files and folders set the radio button to Show hidden files, etc.
    Uncheck the next four boxes that start with the word Hide.

    Open File Explorer and choose drive C. Do you see a hiberfil.sys file?
     
    tracit99, Jun 27, 2017
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  3. Nolly1959 Win User
    Forgot about that*Rolleyes Yes, there is a hiberfil.sys.

    Must hit the sack. Will be back tomorrow.
     
    Nolly1959, Jun 27, 2017
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  4. tracit99 Win User

    Windows 10 & Windows 7 Dual Boot - Can it be done

    Open Administrative Command Prompt and type: powercfg -h off and press enter. Check File Explorer and make sure hiberfil.sys is gone. Shutdown and Power up. Hopefully you will see the boot menu.
     
    tracit99, Jun 27, 2017
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  5. cereberus Win User
    Post image of disk partitions.

    If it as I suspect, fixing it is quite easy using Macrium Reflect Free.
     
    cereberus, Jun 27, 2017
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  6. Nolly1959 Win User
    Yes, that fixed the Boot Menu problem. It begs the question, 'What if you want to use Hibernation?'.
    Thank you.

    Because of the behaviour I did suspect that it to do with Hibernation. It would appear that the latest instructions from NavyLCDR and powercfg -h off command has fixed the Boot menu issue.

    Need to disappear soon but back again this afternoon. Summarising what was required to install Windows 7 and fix the Boot Manu issue is in order.
     
    Nolly1959, Jun 27, 2017
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  7. Nolly1959 Win User
    This might be irrelevant now but I will post an image of the Disk Partitions.
     
    Nolly1959, Jun 27, 2017
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  8. tracit99 Win User

    Windows 10 & Windows 7 Dual Boot - Can it be done

    You are welcome. I glad that you got that issue sorted. As for your last question, I believe that is an issue that Microsoft will have to solve.
     
    tracit99, Jun 27, 2017
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  9. lx07 Win User
    I can't see how they can solve it any more than they already have really.

    If you hibernate then you are saving the state of the OS - that is what is saved to disk plus changes made to that configuration which are in memory - documents that you are in the middle of editing for example.

    If you then boot into another OS and change something on disk the hibernation file becomes invalid and your OS would/could get corrupted. It doesn't matter what the other OS is - it can be Windows or WinRE or Linux or anything.

    Windows bootloader by design therefore (to save you from yourself) forces boot into any partition with a hiberfil.sys file without giving a choice so you don't screw up your system. This is exactly what you saw here:
    If you really wanted to use hibernation with dual boot you would need to use a different bootloader or put the 2 installations on different physical volumes and swap between them in BIOS.

    You'd also have to ensure that when booted into Windows 7 for example you could see none of the partitions Windows 10 could see and v.v. This would mean you'd need 2 copies of all your data (as you couldn't have shared partitions).

    multi boot - Is it possible to enable hibernation when dual booting Windows? - Super User
     
  10. Nolly1959 Win User
    I follow your explanation. The question I posed was more out of interest rather then need.

    Thank you.
     
    Nolly1959, Jun 27, 2017
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  11. tracit99 Win User
    @lx07
    You make some very good points. I think the issue that Nolly1959 experienced here is that he disabled Fast Startup and then he chose Shutdown not Hibernate. When he Powered on he did not see the boot menu and went straight to Windows 10 (as though he had chosen Hibernate). I think with Fast Startup disabled and choosing Shutdown he should have seen the boot menu. This is issue that I was referring too.
     
    tracit99, Jun 27, 2017
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  12. Nolly1959 Win User
    I said I would provide a full report on what made it possible to dual boot my PC with Windows 10 & Windows 7. Sadly, I cannot remember all the detail so I will say the following. Definitely require that Secure Boot needs to be disabled to be able to boot Windows 7. Fast Boot can be either Enabled or Disabled on my PC; it does not make any difference. The key to arriving where I am came from inputs from NavyLCDR (particularly his final one) and the input from tracit99 regarding hiberfil.sys.

    That said, it has been a pleasure to interact with everyone in this thread.

    I have been introduced to commands and resources I was not aware of, such as:

    MiniTool Partition Wizard & Macrium Reflect.

    Also, I have found out probably the best place to download a Windows 7 ISO file from, namely, HeiDoc.net (click on the follwoing link, downlaod the executable and click on it).
    Microsoft Windows and Office ISO Download Tool
    Finally, I was shown how I could mount the Windows 10 ISO file and copy the contents, to my new Windows 7 partition and add this to the Boot Manager. The final issue was resolved by disabling the hiberfil.sys from Windows 10.

    Before marking this thread as solved I would like to know how to achieve the following two items. It was three but I changed the drive letter on on Windows 7 partition from F: to D: without needing help.

    1) How do I change the order displayed in the Boot Manager Menu. I currently have.

    Windows 7
    Windows 10 - This is highlighted indicating that it is the default.

    I would like,

    Windows 10 - Default
    Windows 7

    2) How do I get, what I call, the GUI boot option. That is instead of the text, two icons are displayed, one for Windows 10 & the other for Windows 7.

    Thank you.
     
    Nolly1959, Jun 28, 2017
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  13. cereberus Win User

    Windows 10 & Windows 7 Dual Boot - Can it be done

    Easiest way is to use easybcd to change order and graphics style.
     
    cereberus, Jun 28, 2017
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  14. NavyLCDR New Member
    Yep!
    EasyBCD - NeoSmart Technologies

    Scroll down to the Non-commercial - Free box. You don't really have to register after you click on the register button - it will let you download without registering.
     
    NavyLCDR, Jun 28, 2017
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  15. Nolly1959 Win User
    @cereberus, @NavyLCDR,

    Thanks. I have used EasyBCD before on my Laptop and because I did not understand what I was doing, I screwed things up. I finally managed to repair it (this was last year). I am not certain but don't believe that easyBCD fixed my GUI Boot Menu. That said, I am willing to install it and give it a try. Will do that from Windows 10.
     
    Nolly1959, Jun 28, 2017
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