Windows 10: Windows 7 should be Windows 11

Same here.. if anyone wants to have a "new" win7.. well stick with win7. *Huh
Jeff Problem is that when extended support is over, you have to move on up. I like Win8, but if you want to stay with 7, you can only do so until January 2020.
I'm sorry but that's about.. 5-6 years. Not coming that soon me thinks.

 

As is so often the case when reading these "I don't need it" posts, also in this case your post clearly shows that you have not the faintest idea of what Windows libraries are and how they work, that you simply do not understand them.

Of course I know that not everyone is capable to understand some even the most basic features of Windows. I will try to put this as simple as possible in order to try to get even you to understand: Windows Libraries do not decide where the files are saved, the user does. Libraries just collect the information and show everything in one place.

Kari Another one, figuring that anyone who doesn't like what ms deems a "feature" then they must be too dumb to figure out how to use them.

Of course, they generally can't explain how we managed to got along so freakin' well before appeared. Makes ya wonder...

Libraries are for people who haven't the faintest idea how to do their own organizing, in their own way.

But that ain't me, babe. I just don't need no superfluous nonsense.

 

I like a nice tidy file manager. I like to see only the folders I want to see, not what someone else thinks I should see. All libraries do is add stuff I'm never gonna want to see. I know where my stuff is, always.(almost)

I mean, what the hell are you doing if you don't already always know where your stuff is...???

And note that I have 13TB of hd space. I just don't see the freakin issue.

I also don't see why anyone should feel put out because I don't like libraries.

 

Same here.. if anyone wants to have a "new" win7.. well stick with win7. *Huh
Jeff Problem is that when extended support is over, you have to move on up. I like Win8, but if you want to stay with 7, you can only do so until January 2020.
I'm sorry but that's about.. 5-6 years. Not coming that soon me thinks. No I get that, but the same thing was said to XP users, and that day has now passed. They still have those types of concerns.

 

I like a nice tidy file manager. I like to see only the folders I want to see, not what someone else thinks I should see. All libraries do is add stuff I'm never gonna want to see. I know where my stuff is, always.(almost)

I mean, what the hell are you doing if you don't already always know where your stuff is...???

And note that I have 13TB of hd space. I just don't see the freakin issue.

I also don't see why anyone should feel put out because I don't like libraries. *Huh
Ah,, I for one am not put out but you're getting very .. well worked up about a few empty folders that MS sets up for someone?? Really??

 

You do not save your files in Libraries, nor does Windows "decide" for you to save anything in them. In fact, it's totally impossible: Libraries in Windows are not physical storage locations​, they are not folders. Files are, with or without Libraries, saved where the user wants them to be saved.

An example about how to use libraries from this laptop I am using at the moment:

I have an external USB3 3TB drive H: named Videos. Originally only that drive was included in in my Videos library. As the number of movies stored on that drive became greater and greater, I reserved it for DVD / BD rips and movies I want to save alone, moving other video folders to other drives. One by one I have added more drives and / or folders to Videos library.

Let's say I want to cast some movies, series or other videos to Chromecast using this excellent Chrome extension Videostream, best tool I have found to cast local content (and free!). I click Choose a Video and the Video library content is shown in Open dialog. I do not have to select different drives to select what I want to watch, the Videos library does that for me. In screenshot below the yellow highlight shows folders from external drive H:, the green folders from external drive X:, the red folders from external drive Z: and the blue one folder I have included in Videos library from my user profiles internal drive E:. Video content from 4 different drives in one Open dialog:



When I save video files, I do not save them in Videos library. I save them in folders which I decide and select by myself. As mentioned, saving in library is impossible because it is not a physical storage location. It is just a container for content I want that container to show.

 

Same here.. if anyone wants to have a "new" win7.. well stick with win7. *Huh
Jeff Problem is that when extended support is over, you have to move on up. I like Win8, but if you want to stay with 7, you can only do so until January 2020. I'm sorry but that's about.. 5-6 years. Not coming that soon me thinks. No I get that, but the same thing was said to XP users, and that day has now passed. They still have those types of concerns.
Sort of true.. but MS gave longer support to Xp than is required for other companies to provide, car.

 

I wouldn't be bothered if they got rid of Libraries.
They add additional clutter in the Navigation pane (along with the User folder constantly appearing for no reason).

Unfortunately some programs now seem to open Libraries by default.

How are they an improvement on:

• Favourites?
• the XP-style My Documents?
• A folder + Shortcuts?

They are another location that must be customised to show (what I consider) relevant information.

In my case, one annoying issue is the way that certain (MS) programs interact with them. *Mad

For example, Windows Live Photo Gallery detects Libraries and automatically start indexing everything in them with no way to control what is happening.
The main reason I still have XP installed is so that I can use WLPG without it running amok (XP has no Libraries).

WMC also tries to index everything, but at least it gives you the option to disable locations.

Another issue is Navigation pane clutter (see below).

This may simply be a misunderstanding or disagreement about terminology.
You can "save a file" in a Library, but the file is actually saved in that Library's default folder.

Select a file and "drag & drop" it on a Library icon.
The file will be saved in the default folder location of that Library.
So, from a certain point of view, Windows does decide where to save the file. *Smile

The W10 File Explorer Navigation pane is becoming too cluttered.
MS has continued to add more stuff to the Navigation pane, which makes it more painful to navigate to any specific location.

MS needs to consider adding a method that allows users to easily enable/disable any/all categories in the Navigation pane.
Another option would be to implementing some of the features that Nautilus & Caja use for their Sidebars.



There are a couple of other views (I'm not really sure what use the "Information" view is though). *Smile

 

Nah, at the end of the day, I really don't care much one way or the other. I wish I could get rid of them, but not being able to doesn't really bother me.

What really pisses me off, is when someone like kari comes along and suggests there's something wrong with anyone that doesn't like libraries(or any other nonsense).

Frankly, this shit is wearing really thin. You(the generic "you") like libraries, or any other damn thing, fine. I couldn't care less, and why should I.

But when you suggest that anyone who doesn't like what you like is somehow inferior because of it....suffice to say it really pisses my right off.

 

This may simply be a misunderstanding or disagreement about terminology.
You can "save a file" in a Library, but the file is actually saved in that Library's default folder. No you can't, not save a file or "save a file" in library because the library as a physical storage location does not exist. You save in physical folders included in abstract containers called libraries. A file can be stored in C:\Users\\Videos folder which is included in Videos library but it can not be saved in location "Videos library".

It can be listed and shown in Videos library, yes, but not saved in it.

No misunderstanding, no disagreement about terminology.

No, Windows does not decide it, not from any possible point of view. You decide it, in two phases. First you have decided which folder in each library is the default save location, then you decide into which library you drag and drop your files.

You alone, not Windows, have made the decision about which is the default save folder in library in question.

 

Not looked at the Libraries in 10, but can they not be disabled the same as in 8/8.1, so those that don't want them don't see them

 

Windows chooses a default folder for the Library when you install the OS.
At no stage does W7 ask you what folder you want to set as the default, therefore it has decided it for itself (more accurately MS has decided it).
You can change it if you wish (I haven't).
In W7, you do not have to:

• Open the Library
• Select a target folder
• Drop the file into it

Try it for yourself.

• Select a file (e.g. a txt file or shortcut on the desktop).(see 1 below)
• "Drag & drop" it on a Library icon in Windows Explorer (e.g. Documents).(see 2 below)
• The file will be saved in the default folder location of that Library.(see 3 below)

In the picture, I dragged a shortcut from the Desktop onto the Library icon in Window Explorer and it was copied to E:\Documents.
At no time, did I open the Library location and select a target folder.

I wouldn't shed any tears if the only locations in File Explorer were:

• Favourites
• Computer
• Network

 

@lehnerus2000, that's still a user made decision, to use default save location. It does not change the fact that the user makes the decision where the files are saved; by accepting defaults user has decided the default location is OK and does not need to be changed. I admit that the user might not know how to change the defaults and is therefore using default save locations, in which case it's also a user decision, not to find out how libraries work.

It really is so simple: it is always the user who decides, not Windows. I do not use default save locations, I have decided to use other folders for that. Another user is happy with Windows defaults and decides to use them.

 

I'm no genus on such matters and I will accept being corrected.

My understanding is this.

If one is happy where Windows 7 put things then do it that way.
If one hasn't learned how to use Libraries that is not Microsoft's fault.
Libraries do not store files and folders it is just like a index in a boot. Libraries show Windows 7 where things are located when one puts a request in to go to them.

Kind of like a Dewey Decimal card system used along time ago in libraries.
Their are no books in the card catalog of the Dewey Decimal system. Their is information on where the books are stored.

Windows 7 went one step better. Not only can one store things the way the system comes default, they can also arrange the catalog the way they so desire.
Windows 7 does not make one use the default setting if you don't like them.

I have two SSD's in this system. One with W-7 and one with W-10. Using Libraries I can move thing or copy back and forth as I see fit and find them when needed using Libraries.

Windows 7 does not make me use any default setting if I choose not to.
I choose to use Libraries and do like the method. Because I only have 3 brain cells I do forget where things are.
All I have to do is look in Libraries and presto I get a road map to where I need to go.

Their are things in Windows 7 I don't use. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be there for those that do like to use them.

I took off my XP hat a long time ago because it was getting in the way of my Windows 7 hat.

 

Yep libraries are hit and miss in most conversations,
It's basically just singles out the top 4 sections of C drive that are the most common places most people would like to access fast,
Otherwise a person would create another shortcut in some way to the same basic location for quicker access,

The only other option would be to drill down through C and find Users.....
So it's essentially the same people usually just have an issue with libraries because Microsoft created them *Confused

But it's all good use them or not
I personally do
I believe it's pretty cool along with home group sharing nothing was ever made file transfer/ access so simple *Biggrin
Unless you want to start talking about cloud services *Wink
Cheers.