Windows 10: After Windows10, consumers won't pay for updates or upgra

Hi there

3rd party software can do what it likes - It's 3rd party and not Ms after all. If you don't like what it's doing then use something else. Firefox / Mozilla lost me a long time ago with so many "add on possibilities" and configuration methods that required a Doctorate in computer science to understand.

I think the point is that using Windows we are actually rather lucky that almost anybody can write applications for it and it's not locked down like the APPLE IOS (and - correct me if I'm wrong - but I think in the Apple EULA the agreement is that you are only ALLOWED to run apple approved software on it anyway). Whether that's Court enforceable is a moot point but I believe Ms takes a different view and rather ENCOURAGES 3rd parties to write as much as they want for Windows and helps them too.

I really haven't found anything wrong with IE on Windows and KONQUEROR on a Linux KDE desktop.

As for speed of browsers etc - usually these are effected far more by EXTERNAL factors - like Network speed, load on the remote server / website, code efficiency of the web site itself, load on your own local machine etc that a few microseconds off here or there in loading / rendering pages is an irrelevance -- what does it matter if in loading a 10 minute You tube video if one browser starts in 15 secs and another in 14.

As I said - if a 3rd party app doesn't do what you want - just dump it and find another one.

I'm not an advocate of the subscription model myself which is why I'm keeping all bets open -- I have the last Non subscription Photoshop (CS6 - my expensive PRO level DSLR's aren't changed very often so CS6 is likely to work until I retire - or even longer), I have things like OFFICE 2010 which will work for the things I do indefinitely, XP / W7 VM's and can run all these on a Linux Host so if Windows does go subscription only then as the saying goes "I'm Outta Here !!!".

Cheers
jimbo

 

Nice trick. *Smile

Two of the main reasons to use Firefox are:

• The huge number of add-on
• The number of ways you could customise the GUI

The new Firefox (29+) is still the most customisable browser of the top 3 (just not as good as the earlier versions).

IMO, if you don't like add-ons, or you don't care that you have limited ability to customise the GUI, then you may as well use Chrome or IE. *Smile

 

Hi there

thanks for your reply -- also a valid one if you like doing that sort of stuff.

There's probably two main sorts of users though - those who just want stuff to work straight "As Is" - or what's called these days an "OOBE" (Out of the box experience - almost miraculous these days some "American Consultant-ese" speak actually means what it says in Plain English !!) or those who want to tinker around and see what they can change etc.

On the whole I subscribe to the former - apart from a few basics like Text size (I'm not getting any younger - and I don't want to end up needing glasses with the thickness of Milk Bottles to read the screen !! or a few backgrounds and local settings). I might even get adventurous and create a custom toolbar or my own desktop icons but I'm not on the whole a tinkerer - but I'll bet most that when I test a system I can break it quicker than anyone if it's "breakable" !!.

So I suppose as they say "You pays your money and takes your choice" - at least unlike the "Fruit Company" we do get a choice with Windows.

Cheers
jimbo

 

I recall that in the old days when I had an Alpha workstation at work, we had to pay for DEC Unix every year - there was no possibility to "buy" the OS. Instead you had to pay for your yearly license (i.e. subscription). It was something around $300 a year on the campus license deal, I have no idea what would you have to pay otherwise. I really hated that approach and I will certainly not subscribe to something like that at home. After all, there is nothing wrong with my Windows 7 - I have all the programs I need, I don't care for the latest games, so it's unlikely I will actually need to upgrade the software any time soon. Sure, if 10 ends up looking nice and being fast and cost reasonably (maybe not free, but not too much money), I might actually buy a license, keeping in mind that eventually I will have to upgrade/replace the hardware. But a subscription - thanks, but no, thanks.

 

I think the subscription idea will hurt computer [the little guys]retailers too ,they will take the brunt of the complaints of the regular computer user, and it could hurt there sales

 

Right now. macOS High Sierra Mavericks was also free but had some conditions as to what systems or store accounts were eligible. You had to have purchased the 2009 OS or later to be eligible.

The only iOS update charge that I am aware of was for the iPod Touch. iPhones and iPads haven't ever had a fee for OS upgrades. I hear it had to do with laws or accounting for upgrades to items without subscription fees.

I'll pay Microsoft for major new releases every few years. I wont pay for regular updates or pay a subscription. Sometimes I don't need the latest OS or even updates on some of my machines.

 

*Ditto I can just see the consumers face when the sales person tells them that to actually use the device they will have to sign up for a subscription service, will that be Visa or Mastercard?. Or they get it home and OOBE prompts for a payment method. *Eek

 

I believe TiVo Is that way trying to break even for a number of years. Xbone1 started to try full time internet in order to work M$ had to back peddle on that one.

 

Maybe the next generation of machines will come with built-in credit card readers.
"Please insert credit card to start Windows." *Wink

 

That will be $2.56 for the next 60 minutes of use please? Debit and all major credit cards accepted, please proceed to the Microsoft Store App for payment. Can we interest you in a bundle with Office 365? *What*Doh

 

Kidding aside, there would be people that would sign up for this. They might bitch about it but they'd sign up anyway. Eventually buying a PC could be like buying a cell phone. With the service contract that comes too....

 

OSX Yosemite is free to anyone, you can install it onto your windows machine with VMPlayer to take it on a test run.

here is a tutorial link

Install OS X Yosemite 10.10 On VMware on Windows PC (Download links) - YouTube

or you can Hackintosh it, here is a link showing how to install directly on to your PC

 

That would be the day PC died (without driving Chevy in the levee).

 

"And we sang dirges in the dark, the day the PC died."

 

Seems I will belong to minority in this matter, too. I signed up for Office 365 subscription based model as soon as it was possible and if ever possible, will do the same with Windows. I simply cannot find any cons in it from consumer's / user's point of view.