Windows 10: Classic Shell no longer in development, and now open source

I actually prefer StartIsBack to Classic Shell. Seems snappier to me, and I can get the nice highlights on the taskbar buttons, which for some reason amuses me

 

MS doesn't care about any of their users, including business (except Intel).
If they did they wouldn't push garbage upgrades every few months and then drop support for W10 (earlier releases) after a couple of upgrades.

They want to force everyone to make regular payments for Azure subscriptions. *Sick

 

Hi,
I'd sort of expect or assume any large business would be using enterprise licenses and MS would accommodate them as they already do by giving them all of the privacy...... settings they can disable.

 

The forum rules prevent me from replying to you as I would like to reply. Instead, I can only say that I disagree.

Your fellow TF member and W10 enthusiast,

 

Forgive me but just glanced through this thread. Is enabling Desktop via taskbar, Toolbars, just the same as classic shell?

 

To answer your question....short answer...no, not even close. CS is a Windows 7 like menu structure on steroids.

 

Microsoft cares about two major things in my opinion.

1. Making money
2. Keeping as many customers they can happy.

No happy customers=no money.

Many times I don't understand or agree with what Microsoft does but I do believe they want happy customers, just like any other company does.

Jack

 

There's one really basic thing Win 10's start menu can't handle that CS does. Can anyone advise whether any 3rd party replacement can do this?

The problem:
As you all know, installing programs creates a SM folder containing shortcuts. Fine. However, if you have a lot of programs installed, and organise them in categories in a nested folder structure, after about 3 folders deep, Win 10's start menu ignores the folders and simply lists the shortcuts in those folders in alpha order.

Thus you get (as I've posted a number of times)

Help
Help
Help
Help
Help

etc down the LHS of the Win 10 SM. Each one relates to a different program. Any other shortcuts related to that program are scattered throughout the start menu list.

Which 3rd party program other than CS can deal with this? (In particular this arises where the SM structure is inherited from Win 7 and earlier- the designers of Win 10's didn't take this into consideration. It doesn't arise for fresh win 10 installations as you can't normally then create such folder trees).

 

But isn't Microsft eventually moving Windows to an entirely UWP environment? Wont the Explorer "desktop" shell be eventually disappearing?

 

I certainly hope not. Can't imagine trying to work on an iPad.

 

I'd expect you to disagree. *Smile

Some members at TenForums claimed that they installed W10 Pro so they could control W10's behaviour.
To "improve their customer experience" MS removed a bunch of features and introduced a new version called W10 Workstation.

As for endless support:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...curity-updates

I also expect that the LTSB versions won't be supported forever either.

https://www.computerworld.com/articl...-for-2019.html

Whenever MS releases a new upgrade, this forum gets lots of requests for help from users whose machines have been broken.
My W10 Home has made 5 failed attempts to upgrade to 1709, so it looks like I'll have to download the ISO and do it myself.

MS growth areas are Azure & Office (currently and future potential) so that's what they want everyone to use.

I remember the "good old days" when some companies cared about keeping their customers happy. *Smile

Keeping customers happy is only an issue if there is real competition (i.e. they can swap to a competitor).
I regularly see posts (on multiple forums) complaining about how awful communication/Internet services are due to regional monopolies in the US.

MS also worries about bad publicity (e.g. social media), which explains a couple of their recent W10 backflips.
These days the most effective way to keep corporations in line is to start a "hate campaign" on Facebook.

I'm sure MS bends over backwards to please Azure subscribers as they can swap to Amazon or Google.
They also probably put some effort into the Gaming division to stop users swapping to Playstation.

There is little incentive to please desktop users as most of them can't or won't swap to Apple or Linux.

 

I tell ya! The more of this I read, the more and more I'm glad to still be on Windows 8. Hate my version of Windows if you must, but it appears that I have more control of it. Wow!

 

I agree which I why I never leave feedback anymore. I get more peeved when I have a issue and they tell me to leave feedback which is ignored or I get annoying leave feedback messages. I turn all that crap off

 

Sorry to hear, it's been great *Rolleyes

 

Yep, some discussion earlier.
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