Windows 10: Customers petition to demand changes to Windows 10 update practices

Discus and support Customers petition to demand changes to Windows 10 update practices in Windows 10 News to solve the problem; On VM you won't have any issues upgrading while a few apps will likely get knocked out and no they are not updates but upgrades you now see downloaded... Discussion in 'Windows 10 News' started by Night Hawk, Oct 19, 2015.

  1. BunnyJ New Member

    Customers petition to demand changes to Windows 10 update practices


    That's nice but I don't make use of a VM.
     
    BunnyJ, Nov 14, 2015
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  2. jfreemont Win User

    The upgrade process (i.e., from one Windows 10 build to another) is absolutely, completely garbage. It causes numerous issues, including not being able to update images. You have to recreate your images every 3 to 6 months because Microsoft treats each build as a completely new operating system. This is a horrible way to do updates.

    We need to go back to Service Packs. Service Packs were just very large updates; they didn't do an in-place upgrade of Windows. That's why the whole damn system wasn't replaced with Service Packs and why Service Packs were generally more successful. And it's also why you could upgrade your images from one Service Pack to another; you didn't need to recreate your images from scratch when a Service Pack was released.

    I can tell you that we won't be deploying Windows 10 where I work until this is resolved.
     
    jfreemont, Nov 14, 2015
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  3. BunnyJ New Member
    Honestly, I don't see MS going back to the old SP method now or in the future. At this point it's just time to adjust to the new procedure and move on.

    Jeff
     
    BunnyJ, Nov 14, 2015
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  4. jfreemont Win User

    Customers petition to demand changes to Windows 10 update practices

    That's fine, but the "adjustment" some enterprises will have to make is going to a non-Windows product. There are real options available now with the rise of the cloud. And if Microsoft is fine with this, great. Judging from their response to customer reactions to Windows 8, though, I am guessing they are not okay with this.
     
    jfreemont, Nov 14, 2015
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  5. BunnyJ New Member
    The issue with that will be running software that's designed for Windows on say a Mac/Linux platform. Saying that enterprise users will switch is one thing.. doing it is another story entirely.
     
    BunnyJ, Nov 14, 2015
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  6. jfreemont Win User
    Working in an enterprise, I know what decisions are being made right now.

    Right now and for the next 24 months, we're at a crossroads. We know that Windows 7 support ends at the beginning of 2020. So right now, we are making decisions on what comes next.

    What this means is that we have to make some decision soon just because Windows 7 maintenance is ending. In the next 24 months, we are going to be deciding on whether to stick with Windows or go with something else. If we stick with Windows, we have to deal with Windows 10 and its numerous issues, like new builds constantly being released.

    What I'm hearing more and more is that many enterprises (mine included) are going to try doing one of two things: (a) moving the Windows-specific software to Windows Server and running it as an App-V instance and buying the appropriate CALs or (b) finding a non-Windows replacement altogether. In either case, this would allow enterprises to move to something more akin to Chromebooks and use an RDP client for the few Windows programs still required.

    In any case, because of the debacle that was Windows 8 and Windows 10 having even more issues, enterprises are trying to reduce their Windows footprint. Will this suck for enterprise? At first, it will. But at least once it's done, it's done. We no longer have to deal with these issues. We'll have new issues to deal with, but we know we can't deal with Windows 10 unless something changes.
     
    jfreemont, Nov 14, 2015
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  7. Maybe you should! When first having the TP on a VM that was set up there to avoid the problem previously seen with the 7/8 Customer Preview dual boot set up where both installations had to be replaced! At first 8 was added into the 7 BCD as a boot option until the disk errors seen as a result of the dual boot across two OS drives trashed both! The PC Refresh option followed a clean install of 7 also resulted in both crashing again until 8 was simply gone for good!

    I missed trying 8.1 out in any form when having been side tracked a bit for some other reasons and then checked out the TP build that was available in January to put that on a VM before going through that other situation all over again! This time however noting nothing had changed as far as hardwares! 10 went on as smooth as silk BUT couldn;t added as a new boot option in the 7 BCD store from being three versions newer! 7 was made a 10 BCD there instead.

    The initial upgrade installs on the main build but not the second build accessed remotely as well as the laptop upgraded both saw what best described as a travesty! Both first upgrades were trash! On the main build during the first week the second upgrade to repair the first went unactivated due to bogged down servers. The following weekend then ended like right this time of night on a sunday for the first clean install that activated within a day's time on it's own! Now the activation is seen before you even see the desktop fully loaded automatically if 10 or a previous version being upgraded over saw activation there.

    Bot the Home and Pro 10586 editions saw activation on VMs but with the Home VM on the second machine there. 7 product keys were used while the Threshold 2 wouldn't accept any either from already in use or requiring a 10 key instead of any previous version's The VM however is how to check up on things fast without the need to change any physical 10 install since you can run it on any edition or version of Windows from 7 up! I doubt you could even get 10 to run on the Virtual PC 2007 option used on Vista even for 8 or 8.1.

    Upgrades from the 10240 as well as previous builds and upto the 10565 are those that would tend to see all kinds of buggyness as an end result. As for the newer builds that have been dealing with the bugs from earlier builds the upgrades are going much better even for the 7 to 10 or 8, 81 to 10 upgrade installs. Likewise the upgrade from each build to newer may see the need to reinstall a few things which is to be expected with any version being upgraded in the past as well. Upgrades for any OS can actually end up being buggy at times! Clean installs recommended when possible being the Golden Rule of Thought there!

    This is why delivering updates simply amounting to Upgrades! by way of Windows updates can be flawed since a clean install is always the better results seen guaranty over bugged up upgrades where you end up needing to wipe everything and start over fresh again. At least with the Insider Preview no key was required as well as the TH2 now seen if 10 had already been activated due to the DE or Digital entitlement change in how Windows is activated.

    What each upgrade does unlike seeing an SP go on after a year or so of waiting is see an updated build with a number of fixes already tended to but with the more frequent install at this time until next summer since everybody seems to be running the RC1, RC2 stages you would have been seeing with an older version but now are seeing these latter builds out on new machines! You can be sure while the first inventories saw the 10240 other new machines coming ouf for this time of year most likely will be seeing the Th2 build instead and next year see TH3 or TH4 by next summer provided more Threshold builds come out.
     
    Night Hawk, Nov 15, 2015
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  8. BunnyJ New Member

    Customers petition to demand changes to Windows 10 update practices

    What you fail to understand is I'm not having any issues with Win10. And I chose not to use a VM, period. I don't see the need and I don't plan on using one now or in the future.
     
    BunnyJ, Nov 15, 2015
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  9. And what you are likely missing is what VMs can do for you even when you already have the physical install running. You can test many things on a VM without effect on the host OS! VMs are not just about being able to run other versions or OSs but trying things out without seeing the physical install trashed in any way!

    It's also a good way to screen for potential malwares loaded into downloads at first sight since you can always nuke the entire VM off of the system with a fast right click before anything spreads if something does get flagged! The tests here however are mostly for taking notes on changes seen between builds while not jumping to replace what is on a drive already. The VMs saw five builds while the 10240 physical installs saw the upgrade to the TH2.
     
    Night Hawk, Nov 16, 2015
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  10. BunnyJ New Member
    Ah,., again I don't need to use a VM. I've been testing OS's for many years and by now I think I know what I'm doing.

    But you win.. here's you cookie.
     
    BunnyJ, Nov 16, 2015
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  11. Why do you think I always keep a second OS drive for looks? When outgrowing XP years back and one newer board no longer supporting 98SE I kept on as the second OS I eventually started keeping a distro on the second until getting into the need for more local storage as well as having a test drive available as the builds themselves as well as hard drive capacities increased over the years.

    When I first started out 50mb, 80mb, 100mb, 500mb drives like the one on the second desktop where the common and the 16gb Maxtor was the new thing. I heard complaints from an engineer who at the time complained large drives were too "brittle"! Had a 200mb drive in the old IBM x386 there with 16mb of memory. Now that 16mb is replaced by 16gb in contrast!

    I went from 200mb to a pair of 2tb storage drives added along with a pair of 1tb OS drives that may eventually be replaced by the two 2tb when those get replaced by 4 or 5tb size drives! I still have extra space to put on another OS as well! Once I found I had time to get back into testing the 10 builds that first TP VM was already expired and wouldn't even fire up.

    The newer VMs allows for trying things out on even a daily basis without the need for a new fresh physical drive type install daily. Maybe that will make more sense to you as why the VMs? And I can still be tending to other things without the main being down for a physical to see something tried out or a new VM set up which is called multitasking things. As for VMs those are simply optional there.
     
    Night Hawk, Nov 17, 2015
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  12. BunnyJ New Member
    For the last time I don't care what you do and why you do it. I've worked with computers in one form or another since 1979 and I don't need you to tell me what to do at this stage of my life.

    So,, again.. you win. Have a cookie:

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    BunnyJ, Apr 4, 2018
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