Windows 10: Dell laptop, occasional boot problem – Hardware, Bios or OS problem?

Discus and support Dell laptop, occasional boot problem – Hardware, Bios or OS problem? in Windows 10 Performance & Maintenance to solve the problem; My laptop, system one listed in My Computers Running Win 10 pro version 2004 (OS build 19041.685). Has an inconsistent occasional boot problem and... Discussion in 'Windows 10 Performance & Maintenance' started by Struggling10, Jan 4, 2021.

  1. Dell laptop, occasional boot problem – Hardware, Bios or OS problem?


    My laptop, system one listed in My Computers Running Win 10 pro version 2004 (OS build 19041.685). Has an inconsistent occasional boot problem and looking for someone that might be able to guide me where to look that I havent already.

    Things noticed when problem occurs, when power button pressed.
    1. Power indicator comes on, DVD drive indicator blips few times, screen lightens slightly (back light maybe?)
    2. Hard drive indicator blips couple times then goes solid on.
    3. Dell logo screen with sliding progress bar and F key#s to enter setup or boot menu, never comes up.
    4. Have left it in this state for as much as 5 min. and noting else happens, drive indicator stays solid whole time and screen indicator doesnt light up.
    5. Press power button momentarily and release, both power and drive indicators go off.
    * This process may repeat 2 5 times before normal boot occurs and might not happen for several days, but sometimes the next start.

    With a normal boot, bellow is process when power button pressed.
    1. Power indicator comes on, DVD drive indicator blips few times, screen lightens slightly (back light maybe?)
    2. Hard drive indicator blips few times before Dell logo screen, then on going blips as boot process continues.
    3. Screen indicator lights up, Dell logo screen with sliding progress bar and F key#s comes up and bar fills (blue) before disappearing.
    4. Windows screen with rotating dots comes up and progress continues to the desktop.

    As you can see #1 is same in both, #2 only varies in drive indicator activity, #3&4 never occurs when boot fails.

    Understanding hardware better than software, below are few things Ive already tried.
    Re-seated DVD drive, hard drive and memory boards.
    Replace cmos battery.
    Updated bios from dell site.
    Updated Intel chip-set from Intel site.
    Ran chkdsk /f and sfc /scannow, with no problems found with either.
    Ran Dell systems and hardware test program, all check good.

    :)
     
    Struggling10, Jan 4, 2021
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  2. ram93 Win User

    laptop doesnt boot automatically

    This is what happened.

    1. Did a repair install and later disabled hibertnate in CMD.
    2. Enabled legacy option ROM in BIOS.
    3. After a few times startup ( i used the system in such mode for 5 days), changed boot option back to default.
    4. Vola!! It boots automatically to win10 without any keypress. Tested it with many starts to confirm the same.
    5. Re-enabled hibernate option using CMD and later selected Fast Startup.
    6. System booted normally, without the need for any keypress.

    I do not know exactly whether such steps resolved the problem or what else happened, hence cannot suggest above steps.

    Many thanks to all members who helped to troubleshoot problems.
     
    ram93, Jan 4, 2021
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  3. Shrout1 Win User
    Thunderbolt 2.0 hot plug problems Windows 10

    TL;DR:

    For some reason hot plugging my Thunderbolt dock is not working correctly on my new laptop. I am trying to determine if I've overlooked a troubleshooting step.

    Problem:

    If the dock is unplugged after the system has already booted then my USB devices (mouse & keyboard) will not reconnect when the dock is reconnected. Thunderbolt monitor reconnects, but not USB. No power is provided to the keyboard or mouse - keyboard lights do not illuminate & optical sensor on the mouse stays dark. This is resolved with a reboot, but the problem persists.

    Hardware / Software:

    • Dell Precision M3800
    • BIOS A09 (previously upgraded to A10 before motherboard replacement)
    • Windows 10 (direct upgrade from Windows 7 64 Bit Professional )
    • Belkin Thunderbolt 2 Express Dock HD
    • Thunderbolt (TM) Controller - 157D
      • Device manager hardware ID "PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_157D&SUBSYS_11112222&REV_00"
      • This is an Intel hardware ID (fitting as Intel makes Thunderbolt)
    • GRUB bootloader
      • Kali Linux on second hard drive partition

    Attempted fixes: (None of these solved the problem)

    • All Intel Chipset drivers reinstalled from Dell's website via their tech support's recommendation
    • Driver update on Thunderbolt controller yields "Software for your device is up to date"
    • "Fresco logic USB3.0 host controller" reinstalled
    • Upgraded original OS from Windows 7 to Windows 10
    • Upgraded system BIOS from A09 to A10
    • Had Belkin directly replace the docking station with a new one
    • Had Dell directly replace the system motherboard
      • The new board has the A09 BIOS
    • Stopped and started Thunderbolt (TM) service
    • Booted into Safe mode
      • Thunderbolt works on boot but the thunderbolt service cannot run in safe mode
      • Hot plugging fails to work correctly in safe mode
    • All Thunderbolt devices involved have been authorized in the "Thunderbolt TM Software" and set to "Always Connect"

    Other Notes:

    • An identical Precision M3800 and Belkin dock were ordered at the same time as my own
      • This other laptop does not have the same problems mine does with hot plugging
      • This other "working" laptop has been used with both docks w/o problems hot plugging
      • The "non-working" laptop has the same problems hot plugging with both docks
      • The working laptop has Windows 10 loaded onto it - it was also upgraded from x64 7 Pro
      • The working laptop does not have GRUB or a second OS installed
    • Cannot locate drivers for the "Thunderbolt 157D controller" on Intel's website.
      • It is possible that this is a rebadged controller they are already manufacturing; complete dearth of information.

    Last Thoughts:

    • Is there anything obvious I am overlooking?
    • Is there some problem with hot plugging when GRUB is installed or a second OS is on a system?
    • Are there any pieces of system software that typically interfere with hot plugging thunderbolt devices?
    • With this description would a fresh OS reinstall likely fix the issue?

    Apologies for the length of this post; thus far commercial tech support has been limited and time consuming. I am hopeful that someone in the community may already be familiar with this issue.
     
    Shrout1, Jan 4, 2021
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  4. Ferds_N Win User

    Dell laptop, occasional boot problem – Hardware, Bios or OS problem?

    how do I know if there is a hardware problem?

    If you have done all the troubleshooting steps found on the link I would suggest getting your laptop fixed by a certified Dell hardware Technician, you may be having a hardware problem. It is possible that the motherboard is dead if you cannot see any
    light indicator anywhere when you power on the laptop.
     
    Ferds_N, Jan 4, 2021
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