Windows 10: Dissapointed but not suprised.

Yup and that's why MS has brought it back to W10, because many people agree with you. However, for those of us who have grown to like and use the W 8.1 Start Screen, hopefully it will be available to use in W10 on non touch screens. Having the choice to set W10 up the way each user wants, would be a good thing IMHO. LJ, In case you did not find it yet, here it is:

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/2...enu.html?ltr=S That was one of the first things I did after installing Windows 10 on my laptop. I'm quit happy with the Start Screen.

 

Hi there

Although primarily a Mouse / Keyboard user I've found SOME TOUCH stuff very useful -- particularly at giving demos etc where just being able to SLIDE images / texts etc around and increase windows dynamically. If you are giving a tutorial / demo in front of a decent size audience this is MUCH simpler than messing around with a mouse or even a keyboard at times.

People need to realize just because THEY don't want feature X doesn't mean others don't want it either.

I like the idea also of LIVE tiles (a bit like gadgets) on the desktop and CUSTOMISABLE tiles would be fine --what was useless for me was the old W8 start screen where if you had a zillion applications you had to endlessly left scroll like an oversized mobile phone menu.

I still think the idea of CASCADING Tiles would be great if that could be implemented. All these one dimensional scrolling Tile type systems fail because they are essentially "One dimensional" and non cascadable.

Classical menu systems work because you can cascade them and get to your application very quickly. Navigating through say 500 tiles is a pain but a decent cascading menu makes that type of navigation a breeze.

If you want to see a great implementation of Touch have a look at some of the images in the movie Minority Report !!!!. and that's from as far back as 2002 !!!!.

Minority Report (film - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)



Cheers
jimbo

 

Agree!

 

Yup and that's why MS has brought it back to W10, because many people agree with you. However, for those of us who have grown to like and use the W 8.1 Start Screen, hopefully it will be available to use in W10 on non touch screens. Having the choice to set W10 up the way each user wants, would be a good thing IMHO. LJ, In case you did not find it yet, here it is:

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/2...enu.html?ltr=S Yes, I did see this before, but thanks for the heads up.

 

It's the tiles themselves that I don't like, either in the start screen, or even in the start menu, I just don't like them. I prefer text, plain and simple. In my file explorer, I always have the view set to "Details". It's just how I like it.

YMMV.....

 

I’ll dare say that touch is the ultimate in navigation so far as speed and one doesn’t need a mouse. Just a keyboard if not the onboard keyboard.

I know > How does that work at a desktop PC? > Here’s one solution:

Sprout | HP® Official Site

You got that correct.

Live tiles are great conveying info. Much better than the dead icon.

After using the Start Menu for a while I continue to prefer the Start Screen by organizing tiles in titled columns. Having used it for quite a while, I can pretty much navigate to a tile blindfolded by knowing how many Page Down keys and arrow key strokes it takes.

Using a mouse, I'll bet many don't know that by just rolling the mouse to the right it scrolls the screen quite quickly.

The Start Screen was designed in relationship to the size of the human finger. Although not impossible, I'd think the Start Menu would be nearly impossible to navigate via touch.

They have a folder tile feature on WP8.1 that I’m hoping they carry over to 10 that addresses that problem.

Create folders on my
Windows Phone Start screen | Windows Phone How-to (United States)

Rearranging tiles on the phone is much easier also. Hoping they carry that over too.

Yes, a great example and movie. :thumb:

 

I don't understand why people who hate the Metro Tiles don't just delete them all.

I like Metro. I always did. I don't see why Microsoft needs to do away with something just to mollify a few loud complainers. I'm happy for Metro-haters to delete all that stuff and have a system they like. But I want the system I like too. Both can very easily coexist.

So far, Windows 10 is too much like Windows 7 for my liking. I never had any strong feelings for Windows at all until 8/8.1. Windows was just the boring OS that ran my games and gave me access to the net. 8/8.1 is actually interesting and fun to use.

I hope they don't wreck it.

 

If people delete them all (in W8) then how would they run anything?

They'd have to use Search, activate "All Apps" or go to the file location.

A "few loud complainers"?
It is the single most hated feature of the W8 series.
No other item is mentioned anywhere near as often (maybe the hidden controls).

I suspect that it is "The Reason" that the W8 series has such sluggish sales.

That's the whole point.

MS wants businesses (the market sector that generates MS' income) to use W10.
Businesses seem to have little interest in the W8 series.

I suspect that MS has noticed that their licensed business users convert their new W8 PCs to W7 (as soon as they get them).

That said:

Both options (Menu & Screen) must be available and easy to access and configure.

 

Interesting comment. I actually like the tiles too but I still think Windows 7 rules.

 

I like tiles too but only in the bathroom and Windows 7 rules.

 

A few loud complainers..?? Must be that new math.

Here, lemme help. Start with the number of people who actually bought 8/8.1. Ok, not too many so it's a small number.

Now subtract from that the number of folk who installed 8/8.1, but eliminated all things metro. A quick look at any random sampling of forums would suggest that that amount is at minimum 50%.

Now, take that 50%, and add it to the vast majority that avoided 8/8.1 like the plague and you quickly realize that the, how did you put it..??

Oh yea, the "Few loud complainers" is not quite accurate. What you mean to say, is the vast and overwhelming majority.

Let's be honest here. If metro had been even a modest success ms would never be doing such an about face. You can bet your bottom dollar on that.

 

Windows 7 = Ancient tech

Windows 8.1 = Modern, quick tech

Windows 10 = Step backwards

IMO, of course. *Wink

 

You are right at least as far as the start menu goes. This hybrid is a real pita. Fortunately we can toggle the 8.1 start. For the rest, I like 10.

 

So true.

 

As far as the Start Menu or Start Screen goes, the options to modify them to every ones tastes are absolutely possible; MS just needs to implement them!
Third party apps have given the ability for a while already.