Windows 10: Everyone Wants Windows 10 Update Info, Microsoft Says No

Cliff S · Sep 27, 2015

Bo VesterdorfMicrosoft Corp v Commission (2007) T-201/04 is a case brought by the European Commission of the European Union (EU) against Microsoft for abuse of its dominant position in the market (according to competition law). It started as a complaint from Sun Microsystems over Microsoft's licensing practices in 1993, and eventually resulted in the EU ordering Microsoft to divulge certain information about its server products and release a version of Microsoft Windows without Windows Media Player. Also, the European Commission especially focused on the interoperability issue.[1]
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1 Facts

2 Judgment

3 Significance

3.1 Related investigations

4 See also

5 Notes

6 External links

Facts[edit]

In 1993, Novell claimed that Microsoft was blocking its competitors out of the market through anti-competitive practices. The complaint centered on the license practices at the time which required royalties from each computer sold by a supplier of Microsoft's operating system, whether or not the unit actually contained the Windows operating system. Microsoft reached a settlement in 1994, ending some of its license practices.[2]
In 1998, Sun Microsystems raised a complaint about the lack of disclosure of some of the interfaces to Windows NT. The case widened when the EU examined how streaming media technologies were integrated with Windows.[3]
Judgment[edit]

Citing ongoing abuse by Microsoft, the EU reached a preliminary decision in the case in 2003 and ordered the company to offer both a version of Windows without Windows Media Player and the information necessary for competing networking software to interact fully with Windows desktops and servers.[4] In March 2004, the EU ordered Microsoft to pay €497 million ($794 million or £381 million), the largest fine ever handed out by the EU at the time, in addition to the previous penalties, which included 120 days to divulge the server information and 90 days to produce a version of Windows without Windows Media Player.[5][6][7]
The next month Microsoft released a paper containing scathing commentary on the ruling including: "The commission is seeking to make new law that will have an adverse impact on intellectual property rights and the ability of dominant firms to innovate."[8] Microsoft paid the fine in full in July 2004.[9]
In 2004, Neelie Kroes was appointed the European Commissioner for Competition; one of her first tasks was to oversee the fining brought onto Microsoft. Kroes has stated she believes open standards and open source are preferable to anything proprietary:[10]
“ The Commission must do its part.....It must not rely on one vendor, it must not accept closed standards, and it must refuse to become locked into a particular technology – jeopardizing maintenance of full control over the information in its possession ”
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Cliff S · Sep 27, 2015

Hey ya'll complainers, do you remember this when you installed Windows 10?

Did you even read it(Thoroughly, not skim) before clicking "I accept the license terms"?

Gary · Sep 27, 2015

Hey ya'll complainers, do you remember this when you installed Windows 10?

Did you even read it(Thoroughly, not skim) before clicking "I accept the license terms"?
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Did you? What if your do not live in The US? Evidently MS is not in compliance with The EU Ruling:

In May 2008, the EU announced it is going to investigate Microsoft Office's OpenDocument format support.[28]

In January 2009, the European Commission announced it would investigate the bundling of Internet Explorer with Windows operating systems from Microsoft, saying "Microsoft's tying of Internet Explorer to the Windows operating system harms competition between web browsers, undermines product innovation and ultimately reduces consumer choice."[29][30] In response, Microsoft announced that it would not bundle Internet Explorer with Windows 7 E, the version of Windows 7 to be sold in Europe.[31][32][33][34][35][36]
On 16 December 2009, the European Union agreed to allow competing browsers, with Microsoft providing a "ballot box" screen letting users choose one of twelve popular products listed in random order.[37] The twelve browsers were Avant, Chrome, Firefox, Flock, GreenBrowser, Internet Explorer, K-Meleon, Maxthon, Opera, Safari, Sleipnir, and Slim [38] which are accessible via BrowserChoice.eu. The automatic nature of the BrowserChoice.eu feature was dropped in Windows 7 Service Pack 1 in February 2011 and remained absent for 14 months despite Microsoft reporting that it was still present, subsequently described by Microsoft as a "technical error". As a result, in March 2013 the European Commission fined Microsoft €561 million to deter companies from reneging on settlement promises
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Cliff S · Sep 27, 2015

What a silly stupid court ruling, obviously made from IT dilettantes All one does is open up IE, download another browser and set it as default. If someone doesn't know how to do that, they have no business surfing any how.

Gary · Sep 27, 2015

What a silly stupid court ruling, obviously made from IT dilettantes All one does is open up IE, download another browser and set it as default. If someone doesn't know how to do that, they have no business surfing any how.
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I know especially since the user can remove it, not so easy with Edge though.

Cliff S · Sep 27, 2015

I know especially since the user can remove it, not so easy with Edge though.
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I only use Edge just to see how it's coming along(Gary in this case I'll hold my opinion to myself-for the sake of peace*Smile) but other than that, I just don't use it(or Groove either too). I pretty much use the same stuff since Windows 7 still some Window's programs, some 3rd party(I'm an eclectic user).

pokeefe0001 · Sep 27, 2015

I know especially since the user can remove it, not so easy with Edge though.
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Even if you can't remove it, you don't have to use it. And even if some internal Windows features use Edge (and I don't have any idea if that's the case), that doesn't impact what browser the user uses for his/her own purposes.

I thought the EU suit was more about having to pay for parts of Windows they didn't use than having the code sitting on disk. That could still be a problem with Enterprise versions of Windows. How much of the cost of a Windows 10 license goes for Edge (or Cortana, or other junk, ... err, I mean fine applications people might not want)? That will probably keep the EU legal teams busy for a while.

lehnerus2000 · Apr 4, 2018

Would it be better if it said "This update helps us better mine your data"?*Roflmao2
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Not for MS. *Smile

Aside
I had to use a TAFE PC with W8.1 on it.
It was still just as appallingly awful as I remember it being (from the W8 series preview days).

W10 is far more useable than the W8 series.

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