Windows 10: For SSD - Do you disable System Restore and Hibernate?

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  1. GIL
    gil Win User

    For SSD - Do you disable System Restore and Hibernate?


    Hi.

    I've come across some articles that suggests to disable System Restore if you want better SSD performance.
    The articles are dated to 2013.

    True that if one disables System Restore, then an alternate backup software is needed. Yet, I'm wondering if this is something which you recommend if looking for improving SSD performance (exclude the risk of not having a backup)?

    The other bit is, though SSD are faster for boot time, with Win10 it takes about 25 seconds from cold boot to be on desktop.
    In Win8/8.1, it took me 8 seconds with the same Intel 520 240GB SSD.
    With Hibernate enabled, the boot is faster than 25 seconds but not 8 seconds.
    What are your opinions?

    Thanks *Smile

    :)
     

  2. Turn on system protection is off and greyed out and cannot create system restore Windows 10

    Yes, the link does tell the reader how to enable System Restore but, in the Comments section, someone named
    Anon observed, "I now believe the threshold for System Restore being disabled [i.e., cannot be enabled] by default is having [Win10 installed on a drive that's] less than 256 GB in size."

    Several of my colleagues report the same behavior.

    In other words, System Restore on your computer is disabled by default and
    cannot
    be enabled because your SSD is too small. If Win10 were installed on a, e.g., 275 GB or larger SSD, System Restore should be enabled by default.

    Did Microsoft intentionally set up Win10 this way? I dunno - but chances are they did.
     
    PA Bear - MS MVP, Feb 26, 2016
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  3. J.DD Win User
    Why won't defragmentation go down to 0% fragmented like the other drives?

    If system restore is enabled thats one reason, you cant defrag the folder.

    Unless it's disabled, the % maybe lower

    They're not SSD's are they. Because you don't defrag SSD's

    If you use something like defraggler, it'll tell you what the file is / files are, that it's defragging
     
  4. Cliff S New Member

    For SSD - Do you disable System Restore and Hibernate?

    Those tweaks have to do with saving space on an SSD as they are generally more expensive for their size(even though the prices are coming down). They have nothing to do with performance, ans the SSDs seek time is almost 0. They also save writes, which is also not important anymore, as the latest generation will probably out last your PC with normal day to day use.

    To your second question,
    do you have a lot of periferals, USB's, 2nd internal drive and such? Is it the BIOS POST that takes long?
    or do you have a lot of startup programs? Is it the OS loading part of the boot?
     
    Cliff S, Feb 26, 2016
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  5. GIL
    gil Win User
    RE Q1: please read here: System Restore and Your SSD | The SSD Review
    and here: The SSD Optimization Guide Ultimate Windows 8 (And Win7) Edition | The SSD Review

    That's not the only place I found that says that.

    RE Q2:
    My OS is part of UEFI startup
    The CSM is configured to boot UEFI first and the UEFI OS is set to Windows OS.

    I currently have only Keyboard and Mouse connected, but also tested with Webcam and joystick connected. Same boot speeds.
    In my BIOS I setup to only partially load USB devices for faster boot times.

    I do have 2nd internal HDD and 3rd Internal SSD and 4th External HDD for backup. I did disconnect the external HDD but it didn't improve boot times.

    I keep startup programs and services to a minimum that is required by my daily use.
     
  6. OldMike65 Win User
    Ok, type msconfig at your command prompt admin, then click on the BOOT tab, what do you have your Timeout set too?? Mine is set to 3 sec's *Smile
     
    OldMike65, Feb 26, 2016
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  7. GIL
    gil Win User
    mine is 3 as well as this is the lowest allowed minimum by Win10.
     
  8. Cliff S New Member

    For SSD - Do you disable System Restore and Hibernate?

    Not true.

    For SSD - Do you disable System Restore and Hibernate? [​IMG]


    You can set it to zero in advanced settings:

    For SSD - Do you disable System Restore and Hibernate? [​IMG]
     
    Cliff S, Feb 26, 2016
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  9. Cliff S New Member
    1st article is old:
    Second one too
     
    Cliff S, Feb 26, 2016
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  10. GIL
    gil Win User
    Thanks! I changed it now, but I don't have multi OS. Is this still valid? Shaving off 3 seconds?


    I know they are old, I stated it in my OP.
    Yet, system recovery on win8/8.1 is not that different than win10. In addition my SSD is dated from mid 2012 (intel 520 series).

    So my question remains... would you mind doing a test with system recovery enabled and run crystal DiskMark and then totally disable System Recovery and try benchmarking again?

    *Smile
     
  11. OldMike65 Win User
    Turning off System Protection is not going to change your boot up speed. But if you do, make sure you have a good image backup program installed, like Macrium Reflect Free.
     
    OldMike65, Feb 26, 2016
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  12. Clintlgm Win User
    Well, if you have a good back up routine with images of your C:\ and full drive Images, you won't need restore points or system restore. if you have an issue at least with Macrium Reflect it takes less time to restore an image than it take system Restore to restore to a restore point. Otherwise they only take up space and don't effect start up time
     
    Clintlgm, Feb 26, 2016
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  13. Cliff S New Member

    For SSD - Do you disable System Restore and Hibernate?

    No idea if it's still valid, but I have always had mine set to zero since Win7 & Win8.1. I have it on 10 because I'm using the Macrium Reflect boot option, which is the same as dual booting(WinPE environment).

    I have always had system recovery turned on with my SSDs as it's needed for Volume Shadow Copy Service(Shadow Copy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
    The only things that slow my boot time is my 2nd internal HDD as it is multi partitioned.
    I do use "Fast Startup"(Fast Startup - Turn On or Off in Windows 10 - Windows 10 Forums)

    I don't have or use Crystal Benchmark, because, for me benchmarks mean nothing, sorry there.
    As an SSD seek time is zero the problem has to be something else. You have more than enough RAM and an i7,
    Have you tried clean booting? With you 3rd party AV turned off?
     
    Cliff S, Feb 26, 2016
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  14. Cliff S New Member
    Cliff S, Feb 26, 2016
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  15. GIL
    gil Win User
    I think I need to explain again *Smile

    The system recovery I mentioned was not for boot speed. This is general SSD performance. Having system recovery impedes performance from some reason. using ssd benchmark with and without system recovery may reveal that.

    The other part was to do with boot speeds. I use the custom view already and measure it to be 25 seconds, while with windows 8 it was 8 seconds *Smile
     
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