Windows 10: Heat doesn't kill hard drives. Here's what does

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  1. Heat doesn't kill hard drives. Here's what does


    It will feel weird if PC's had no hard drive and it would still work
     
    XXHeronikXX, Mar 8, 2016
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  2. When I used computers, I used HDD's boxes, they do not just lower temperature, but prevent dust and humidity.
    But one of the killers is also turning HDD on/off, that includes power saving and sleep, better to disable it. *Wink
     
    TairikuOkami, Mar 8, 2016
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  3. Pendaws Win User
    I have a 500gb SSD (Samsung 850 Evo) and have stopped using Mechanical drives. I backup my stuff to a NAS with 3x2tb WD Reds
    and that seems to be ok for me. My NAS is in an area that is a constant temp and so I am confident this won't be a major issue? *Smile
     
    Pendaws, Mar 8, 2016
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  4. swarfega Win User

    Heat doesn't kill hard drives. Here's what does

    Yea my NAS is in a room thats not used much and the heating is off so its quite cool. Ideal conditions!
     
    swarfega, Mar 8, 2016
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  5. swarfega Win User
    No I didn't. I said I don't have hard drives IN my computer any more. Sure they are used for my NAS because theres no suitable alternative if you want the space and SSDs are still not reliable or large enough yet.
     
    swarfega, Mar 8, 2016
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  6. jimbo45 Win User
    Hi there

    Don't drop them on to Granite floors from a height either. !!!!

    As far as high humidity is concerned - that will more or less kill any electronics - and if you are near a coast too the salt in the air will be as efficient as concentrated Sulphuric or Nitric Acid as eating into the metalwork.

    At least where I am that's not an issue at all at any time of the year !!

    @swarfega SSD's are perfectly large and reliable enough for NAS boxes -- I'd love to get 4 X 4 TB SSD's for my box so the whole thing could be the size of my router / cablebox with no heat / fan etc etc. Google and Amazon use large SSD's in their datacentres already -- the main problem for us "Consumers" is the cost which actually IS coming down in leaps and bounds.

    By this time next year decent high capacity SSD's will be "reasonably" affordable a 4TB SSD probably about 1.5X the cost of a decent 4TB spinner at todays prices.

    Cheers
    jimbo
     
    jimbo45, Mar 8, 2016
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  7. swarfega Win User
    JImbo or get 2 x 16tb SSD (the new ones) *Tongue
     
    swarfega, Mar 9, 2016
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  8. slyphnier Win User

    Heat doesn't kill hard drives. Here's what does

    with last report SSD report from google and SSD data retention (based:The Truth About SSD Data Retention)
    i wont move all data to SSD just yet...
    for me, it will be still few years with mixing SSD+HDD combination before to all SSD... and for cold storage/archival purpose will still using HDD (like NAS box)

    also in failure, HDD have better recovery chance compared to SSD... if not cheaper (SSD recovery price is like 2~3x HDD )
    for common hdd board failure can simply replacing the board with same batch

    i think hdd even not air-tight, but designed to not let dust pilling up inside...
    if u ever open old hdd, u should find the inner stay clean usually

    for humidity, using air conditioner should solve the problem,
    also except u living in really humid area, i dont think it will cause shorter usage life
    inside PC-case usually warm, and with the fan flowing the air, it will remove excess moisture most of time
     
    slyphnier, Mar 9, 2016
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  9. swarfega Win User
    I wouldn't worry about what Google says. They have much tougher workout than your average consumer. For us lot they are perfectly fine.
     
    swarfega, Mar 9, 2016
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  10. slyphnier Win User
    u havent read it arent u ?
    it didnt about regarding workload on the SSD that causing failure (it seems work properly regarded to spec)
    it already posted couple time but, as its short, so i repost it again
    KEY CONCLUSIONS


    • Ignore Uncorrectable Bit Error Rate (UBER) specs. A meaningless number.
    • Good news: Raw Bit Error Rate (RBER) increases slower than expected from wearout and is not correlated with UBER or other failures.
    • High-end SLC drives are no more reliable that MLC drives.
    • Bad news: SSDs fail at a lower rate than disks, but UBER rate is higher (see below for what this means).
    • SSD age, not usage, affects reliability.
    • Bad blocks in new SSDs are common, and drives with a large number of bad blocks are much more likely to lose hundreds of other blocks, most likely due to die or chip failure.
    • 30-80 percent of SSDs develop at least one bad block and 2-7 percent develop at least one bad chip in the first four years of deployment.

    The paper's second major conclusion, that age, not use, correlates with increasing error rates, means that over-provisioning for fear of flash wearout is not needed. None of the drives in the study came anywhere near their write limits, even the 3,000 writes specified for the MLC drives.

    But it isn't all good news. SSD UBER rates are higher than disk rates, which means that backing up SSDs is even more important than it is with disks. The SSD is less likely to fail during its normal life, but more likely to lose data. *copied from guru3d
     
    slyphnier, Mar 9, 2016
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  11. davidhk Win User
    davidhk, Apr 4, 2018
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