Windows 10: Hell Freezes Over: Users Now Want the Start Screen in...

Count me in on that as well. Personally, finding an app/program in the Apps screen is easier than scrolling through the the Start menu.

 

Well of course it is. There is absolutely no question whatsoever, and I can't see how anyone could ever say otherwise. To claim the opposite seems preposterous...

 

And there is the key to it all: give people choices.

 

Sorry, Lady Fitzgerald, but I don’t follow the logic. One needs to know the name of the app to find it in an alphabetized menu. If not the name of the child app, at least know the parent program for the folder. As with the Start menu, each program will have its own folder created for the Apps view screen, which is by default open. There are a few ways to accomplish less scrolling. One is to press any letter, Ctrl/Minus key, or by pressing/clicking the minus sign on the bottom right of the Apps view screen, therefore less scrolling. Simply tap/click on the tile to open it.








Another is semantic zoom by pressing/clicking the minus sign on the bottom right of Start screen or Ctrl/Minus key, therefore less scroll. This all works great with either keyboard or mouse as well as touch.








Yes, if it were a sole desktop system as in the past we could/would, of course, stick with the old menu systems, but it’s limited with navigation and that’s not what MS is trying to accomplish. According to their data in the blog post below, most users used the Taskbar, Quick Launch, and/or placing shortcuts on their desktop. As time went on MS saw that less and less were using the Start menu. When they did, they were using it for infrequently-used programs. So they took the opportunity to port the Start screen over from the phone. This also gives users familiarity across devices, MS writes a unified OS across devices, and gives them opportunity to infiltrate the mobile market. Yes, MS’s sole motive is to sell products to make a profit. That’s called free enterprise and all companies exercise it.

As time goes on, I see more and more members switching over to the Start screen.

Designing the Start screen - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

 

And there is the key to it all: give people choices. Yes and 10 seems to be accomplishing it.

 

Well of course it is. There is absolutely no question whatsoever, and I can't see how anyone could ever say otherwise. To claim the opposite seems preposterous... Many find it easier, there is question, many did say it otherwise, and many don't find it preposterous. *Wink

 

Well of course it is. There is absolutely no question whatsoever, and I can't see how anyone could ever say otherwise. To claim the opposite seems preposterous... Only "preposterous" to someone conceited enough to believe his is the only opinion worth consideration.

 

I can subscribe to that. I am 50% blind and a full page layout beats any itty bitty start menu for me. I can hardly read these links in the new start and since there seems to be no way to make it bigger (I am already running on 150% DPI), it is useless for me. Fortunately I can toggle the start page.

 

If (more like when) I can't remember the name of the program, scanning a vertical list of text, hoping the name will jump out at me (which usually works for me), is much easier and faster than continuously horizontally scrolling a bunch of tiles with a name in each one (and some don't even have names).

 

And there is the key to it all: give people choices. Yes and 10 seems to be accomplishing it. That I agree with. I'm not saying the start screen and tiles don't have a use—they definitely do—but they aren't for everyone, same as start menus are not for everyone.

 

I have a form of glaucoma and am just thankful that I can still see reasonably well.

 

I saw one or two other people with same argument, so this to you and them. Having a program pinned to the startmenu or taskbar requires having already pinned it there. That assumes that it is a program used often enough to make you want to pin it. Even on high resolution screens, both have limited real estate, and I think in your case especially, it would be non-sense to pin every single installed program and those built in to the task bar. If anything, I'd think that would be a waste of time. Its a moot point anyways since you can do it 8 too. And typing isn't always a good option either. As you stated, if you have a lot of software installed, you can't always remember the name of everything. I would also say typing out the name of a program requires much more effort than clicking something. Furthermore, your statement about having to scroll through tiles just proves how ignorant you are about how the start screen actual works. At least try it instead of making up "facts". If you scroll down, or click the bottom of the screen on a desktop, you get a screen with all your programs listed. No tiles, just a list. You have a multitude of options on how the list is arranged. The basic choices are by name, by date installed, by category, and by most used. With the start menu, you don't really have any easy choices. You can customize what folders programs are in, but that's time consuming. If you don't like live tiles, there is an option to go to this list when hitting the start button/windows key by default, skipping the screen with tiles entirely.

EDIT: Also, I would say having a list that takes up the entire screen, in vertical columns, makes it a lot easier to find a program than scrolling through a one column list.

 

The "All Apps" screen is different from the Start Screen.

The "All Apps" screen is like "All Programs" in the Start Menu.
The Start Screen is like the left column of the Start Menu.

Can the "All Apps" screen actually be customised though?
I couldn't change anything on it, when I was playing with the W8.1 Enterprise preview.
Specifically, I couldn't create columns like on the Start Screen.