Windows 10: High specs but extremely long wait times to open things.

Discus and support High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. in Windows 10 Gaming to solve the problem; Windows 11Ryzen 7800XZota Gaming 407032 gigs of RAM2 TB SSDWhen I first boot my computer up and go to open any program, Steam, Edge, Chrome, Discord,... Discussion in 'Windows 10 Gaming' started by DudeMcGuybro, Dec 8, 2024.

  1. High specs but extremely long wait times to open things.


    Windows 11Ryzen 7800XZota Gaming 407032 gigs of RAM2 TB SSDWhen I first boot my computer up and go to open any program, Steam, Edge, Chrome, Discord, anything... it takes upwards of 2-3 minutes. This is a brand new out of the box computer. Could they have installed some sort of malware from the factory? I've done multiple full scans and nothing comes up. I have checked all the hardware to make sure everything is seated correctly. I have done more restarts than your little brother playing Mario Kart. I've checked task manager and nothing seems out of the ordinary resource wise. My old Ryzen 5 3

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    DudeMcGuybro, Dec 8, 2024
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  2. Windows 10 slowdown and extremely long boot time

    Yesterday a HP ProBook laptop was running fine, with 8GB RAM and Intel Core i7-6500U 2.5GHz CPU.

    Today morning, the Windows 10 machine was extremely slow. Windows task bar was not responding. Using some OS features line network manager wasn’t possible. So decided to reboot the machine. After rebooting, the windows got stuck at the loading page.

    1. I hard-reset the machine, and used diagnostic tools, but they didn’t show any problem.
    2. Pressing F8 at boot time, i.e. safe mode, led to automatic repair, which would eventually end up in a blank/black screen.
    3. Finally, I rebooted again and waited so long for Windows loading to finish. After some long minutes finally Windows showed login page.

    The Windows is still slow, but it is unstable. Opening an application might take more than 2 minutes, maybe 3 or 4 minutes.

    This is NOT the first time I run into such slowdowns. I wonder whether this behavior is occasionally expected? How can I prevent such slowdowns?

    Laptop has HDD:


    High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. [​IMG]


    UPDATE

    Two days later:


    High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. [​IMG]


    Suddenly, I run into the blue screen. I wait long but it is stuck at 0% Complete. I restart manually. Restart takes maybe 15 to 20 minutes. Then I receive a login screen with no input field for password! I restart again, this time it's faster. I get a login screen WITH a password field. I login and opening any application takes 2 to 3 minutes.

    As suggested by the accepted answer, probably I'm going to totally replace this OS =(

    UPDATE

    It is more than one month since I reinstalled Windows 10 and deleted all the old partitions which were MBR-based and created new GPT partitions. During this period, the new Windows 10 is responsive. I'm satisfied so far High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. :)
     
    user3405291, Dec 8, 2024
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  3. bumgarb42 Win User
    Extremely High RAM utilization, high Paged Pool

    The issue started in mid-February when I received multiple warnings and critical alerts from my RMM software for several PCs I administer - the RMMs settings for RAM alerts are a warning at 85% and critical at 90%.
    All of these systems have been deployed for over 2 years and I've never had any of them give high memory alerts before. Now, of the 12 PCs in the office, 10 PCs are going to critical alert with the RAM use slowly creeping up over a 4+ day period. The users are complaining of the PCs becoming slow, lagging, or unresponsive. A reboot tends to make the PC usable again until the RAM gets critical again.


    Image 1 is RMM metrics from a users PC showing RAM (purple line) before the issues started, and after February 12th, the RAM creeping to +90% after the issues started
    Image 2 is a current image of the RMM metrics for the last month


    High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. 324743d1616799818t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-cjw_tmp_1.png


    High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. 324742d1616799846t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-cjw_tmp_2.png



    To make the issue more obvious, here is an image from our conference room Intel NUC, that is idle most of the time. I know that the spikes are the right side are while the PC was mostly idle and I was rebooting the PC to get the RAM to drop:

    High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. 324744d1616799901t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-conf_tmp_1.png


    To help you understand some of the things I have tried, here are samples of the alerts I got from my RMM software:

    High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. 324745d1616799971t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-conf_alert_1.png


    High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. 324746d1616799971t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-cjw_alert_1.png


    High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. 324747d1616799971t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-jgw_alert_1.png



    As I mentioned above, I have 10 PCs, some are idle, having this issue. I have 2 actively used PCs that are NOT having the issue. In trying to troubleshoot, I have basically compared the idle systems with the issue to the 2 active user PCs that are not having the issue.
    Here are images from Process Explorer, Task Manager and RAMMAP from an idle system that is having the issue:

    High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. 748d1616800736t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-20210326_dwa_idle_processexplorer.png


    High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. 324749d1616800736t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-20210326_dwa_idle_rammap.png


    High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. 750d1616800736t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-20210326_dwa_idle_taskmanager_ram.png


    Initially seeing epsecurityservice at the top of Process Explorer and in the RMM alert, I thought BitDefender Endpoint Security (GravityZone) was the issue. I applied a “disable” policy to BitDefender on an idle system and the issue did seem to stop after a reboot.

    HOWEVER, seeing svchost in the list, I also tried a Clean Boot, but disabled everything EXCEPT BitDefender and my RMM software so I could continue to connect to the system.

    Again, the issue seemed to stop with a Clean Boot and BitDefender still enabled.

    So I compared Process Explorer metrics for a system with the issue and one that doesn’t have the issue and found that epsecurityservice.exe had roughly the same RAM use between the two systems… and the numbers were not increasing steadily over time.
    This made me think BitDefender isn’t the issue but perhaps something it uses in the OS.

    So I then looked at RAMMAP and Task Manager, and that is when I saw the extremely high Paged Pool on the idle system and a relatively small Paged Pool on the system in use. So I checked all the systems with the issue and they all have extremely high paged pools, even on systems that have been rebooted and left idle for days.

    Here are screenshots of for one of my systems that is not having the RAM issue:

    High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. 324751d1616800994t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-20210326_lgs_processexplorer.png


    High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. 324752d1616800994t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-20210326_lgs_rammap.png


    High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. 324753d1616800994t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-20210326_lgs_taskmanager_ram.png


    And just for a comparison reference, here is what my RMM metrics for RAM look like on one of my PCs that doesn't have the issue:

    High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. 324755d1616801054t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-lgs_tmp_1.png



    Here is a quick rundown of these systems configurations which is making it hard to determine if it is a driver issue since 4 different configurations are having the issue:

    High specs but extremely long wait times to open things. 324757d1616802014t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-mfsok_pc_config_brief.png



    I'm not sure whether the huge Page Pool is okay, but it doesn't seem normal when compared to how my RAM utilization is for the 2 systems that are not having any issues.

    If anyone has suggestions on what else I should try to resolve this, I’d greatly appreciate it.

    If you want more information, please give me step-by-step simply to save time – I don’t want to waste any time assuming I know what you want and giving you the wrong info.

    Thanks in advance for the help!!
     
    bumgarb42, Dec 8, 2024
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    pass---01, Dec 8, 2024
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