Windows 10: Intel should be very worried about AMD's Ryzen 7 processors

Yes, it's true...no matter when a person buys a cpu or what they pay for it, someday someone will launch something better that costs less...*Wink It's inevitable, really, in all aspects of consumer computer tech.

 

Well, I haven't been keeping up with cpu pricing all that closely, but the price drops from Intel will have to be huge--on the order of 50% for rough cpu performance equivalency--to become competitive with AMD's Ryzen high-end prices. Plus, AMD's value-oriented Ryzen cpus won't ship until 2nd and 3rd quarter, and in many of those categories Intel will have to reduce pricing even further than 50% since in several of those AMD-budget categories Intel doesn't make a comparable-performing cpu (what Intel sells at those budget prices currently will have to be priced much lower than the upcoming Ryzen budget cpus in order to sell.) Basically, the price drops and product positioning Intel will have to undertake will not be subtle...we'll all recognize them when we see them.

 

I am still skeptical. We saw a couple of selected benchmarks. We've seen that before. The R7-1700 was also compared with a 7700K. Is anyone surprised that an 8 core CPU can beat a 4 core CPU? I really hope the AMD CPUs do, in fact, live up to their hype. That would be great for all of us. I wish they had been competitive all along. We would all be running cheaper, better CPUs than we are now.

 

How big is this market though? It is just for hobbyists right?

I mean no business ever gets servers with AMD (perhaps but I've never seen one in the last 20 years although I'm a bit isolated from normal IT concerns as I work with AS400 and IBM haven't done a new processor since POWER8 in 2012) so that leaves OEM PC's and guys who build their own.

Either they sell to OEM or it is all a colossal waste of time as the few 1000's (or 100,000's or whatever) of hobbyists just won't be enough to support chip development.

Am I missing something here?

 

It may not be her choice. The fact of the matter is, if you're pricing your product well below the competition, and the competition has far greater volume, the competition will simply have far more resources to compete with you.

Being a bargain processor means they can't afford to do this as often as Intel does.

 

AMD's server cpu's are called Opteron's and prior to core 2 they did spank that ass, Intel ass.Attachment 122485

I think I had an Opty 170 with BH-5 ram, 9800 pro and a 40GB(wow) spinner at a woping 7200rpm, of course with an Abit NF-7S, I think.....

 

Never used any sever with an Opteron. I have managed many servers over the last 20 years. I know they exist, but they aren't widely used.

 

Yeah, I see nothing here to make me say wow, I need to dump Intel. I remember when I first got into computers, Intel and AMD were fighting for the processor crown, but I went with Intel and never gave AMD a thought.

Today AMD would have to supplant Intel as the processor king for me to move to them. While Ryzen looks good now, in the long run, I don't see that happening. And while Ryzen looks good, what about their motherboards? Would be interesting to see the performance numbers there.

 

It'll be interesting to see how this works out. I used AMD CPUs years ago when they gave a lot more bang for your bucks than Intel did. However I drifted over to Intel just before Sandy Bridge CPUs came out then when my mobo developed a fault I returned it under warranty and got it replaced for a Sandy Bridge compatible one and bought a Sandy Bridge CPU. I'm still using it to this day and it does everything I ask of it. One of those scenarios where you feel like upgrading but keep putting it off because there's always something better coming out soon. However I'm looking to upgrade over the next few months but watching the AMD video doesn't really sway me from Intel, yeah the benchmarks they ran looked good but it's all too easy for manufacturers to optimise their products for their chosen benchmarks.

Interesting times though and I wouldn't like to bet on how it turns out *Smile

 

Steve you know I'm just getting into overclocking, but one thing I have recently learned was, those 8 cores with hyperthreading turned off, will not get as hot, and will be more stable at higher OC's than a 4 core with hyperthreading turned on.

 

Cliff, if you want only 8 cores, why buy one with 8 cores and 16 threads? Personally, I disagree with turning threads off. Having said that, If you turn off hyperthreading on one, why can't you turn it off on the other one? Even if you did that, you still are pushing more cores in an overclock. The 6 and 8 core CPUs are just not able to overclock as high as the 'mainstream' CPUs.

Count how many times the AMD CEO said, during the presentation, "because we have more cores". Cores have been AND's emphasis for a lot of years. Back during the Phenom II days, they had 6 core CPUs in the mainstream market. They focused on adding cores and Intel focused on more efficiency and better performance.

 

I'm not a fan of AMD, but wish them luck and much success with Ryzen. 2 big companies fighting to be top dog usually results in benefits for the little guy. That's where I come in. *Wink

 

And it begins...

Intel Begins Price War With AMD Ryzen - Massive Price Cuts on Intel Chips By Retailers

 

I used to only buy CPU's at Microcenter when I lived near one. They have always had massive discounts on in-store only CPU prices. They use them as loss leaders, and this is nothing new. Those prices look like the prices they usually sell for at MC.

In fact, I just dug through my old Microcenter emails and found the exact same price on the 6800K ($359) from way back in November. I think someone doesn't understand how Microcenter works, and is just assuming these are Intel price cuts.

 

Hmmm.... $299 for a Kaby 7700K. That's tempting. Luckily all I have to do is update my Z170X MB's BIOS and bam, Kaby ready. At a price of just $299 I may just do that. Only issue is how much will I gain from the 6700K.

Anyway I don't live near a Microcenter, but there's one 2 hours away from me. I've family in that area so on my visit to them I'll just stop by Microcenter should I decide to get the 7700K.

BTW I got my 6700K from them for $309, with a $30 dollar bundling discount on my Gigabyte motherboard. Basically saved $70 dollars on the package.