Windows 10: Intel should be very worried about AMD's Ryzen 7 processors

Yeah, I’m not sure any or those games are PC busters, but ok. That said, I do get their point and don’t fully disagree with them. However, there are other factors to consider – including game, game settings, resolution, GPU/CPU, etc…

That said, I won’t argue that an i3 or i5 with a mid-grade GPU wouldn't do very well with certain games. We see this all the time. However, take a high rez textured game like the new Skyrim and try running that on an i3 with a mid-grade GPU at a rez of 1900 x 1200 or higher with the game’s settings all maxed out and you suddenly run into performance issues where you wished you had more power. This is what I mean when I ask can the PC run a game in all its glory at a high resolution. That’s the test. And 1080 is old, higher resolutions are the norm now. My 24 inch NEC monitor runs a native resolution of 1900 x 1200, and that’s getting stale now.

Anyway, their point isn’t off base and does hold truth, but it also doesn’t negate the fact that higher clocked CPU’s can also net better performance. Yes, GPU’s affect gaming more than CPU’s, but an underperforming CPU can bottleneck a GPU, and that’s where your performance can get hurt.

Nonetheless, you are right, you don't need a high end CPU to enjoy gaming - we've seen this with the integrated GPU's on Intel chips, so yeah, and i3 or i5 would do well. But when you want your gaming experience with all its bells and whistles, better look at higher ground. That's my point.

 

Still very short list and even shorter supply. Only top (and expensive) X370 platform seems to be close to what's needed for this series (R7) of processors.
Something like this: Access Denied would be a total waste of R7 processors, it' more suitable to go with R3.

 

an 11,000 word review by Gamers Nexus: AMD Ryzen R7 1800X Review: An i5 in Gaming, i7 in Production | GamersNexus - Gaming PC Builds & Hardware Benchmarks

 

There are reports on several sites of problems with recording studio software and hardware with Ryzen. Although it may be good for some applications its apparently not up to Intel/Intel chipset motherboards in the recording studio arena.

 

Wow, that's a pretty weak looking board. And only one GPU slot. Definitely looks like a bare essentials board for a low end system. That said, I'm sure they'll be better boards out in the supply line soon.

 

Yes, I can't even see a point of selling it now when processors meant for it (future APUs) are still months away.

 

Yet another review citing disappointing game performance with the 1800X. All quotes taken from the conclusion page....

For clarity, an Intel i5-6600 is $219 vs. the $499 R7 1800X AMD chip. And an i5-6600K is only $239.

And the reviewer is absolutely right in his statement when countering AMD's claims when they say games are going to be optimizedfor their chips in the future. While this may be true, the review reminds us....

The review also states AMD fudged the gaming workloads...

With that, I'll remind that this is a new chip with a new architecture, and there are bound to be growing pains. Couple that with the fact that there aren't many (if any) games out there that can take full advantage of 8 cores, let alone 12 or 16. That said, it's still a bit disappointing AMD couldn't garner better performance in gaming being this isn't their first rodeo in the CPU chip business. And, let's not forget.... they're also in the GPU gaming business and are highly competitive with NVidia. Let's hope AMD sorts this out before this turns into a loud thud.

My two cents *Cool

 

You all might be interested in what John Taylor at AMD reports on Ryzen as for Gaming performance.......

"As we presented at Ryzen Tech Day, we are supporting 300+ developer kits with game development studios to optimize current and future game releases for the all-new Ryzen CPU. We are on track for 1000+ developer systems in 2017. For example, Bethesda at GDC yesterday announced its strategic relationship with AMD to optimize for Ryzen CPUs, primarily through Vulkan low-level API optimizations, for a new generation of games, DLC and VR experiences.

Oxide Games also provided a public statement today on the significant performance uplift observed when optimizing for the 8-core, 16-thread Ryzen 7 CPU design – optimizations not yet reflected in Ashes of the Singularity benchmarking. Creative Assembly, developers of the Total War series, made a similar statement today related to upcoming Ryzen optimizations.

CPU benchmarking deficits to the competition in certain games at 1080p resolution can be attributed to the development and optimization of the game uniquely to Intel platforms – until now. Even without optimizations in place, Ryzen delivers high, smooth frame rates on all 'CPU-bound' games, as well as overall smooth frame rates and great experiences in GPU-bound gaming and VR. With developers taking advantage of Ryzen architecture and the extra cores and threads, we expect benchmarks to only get better, and enable Ryzen excel at next generation gaming experiences as well.

Game performance will be optimized for Ryzen and continue to improve from at-launch frame rate scores."

John Taylor, AMD.

 

Intel has been heavily favored by game developers until now. Even benchmarks were made for mid level segment of Intel CPUs.

 

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That's all fine an dandy, but....

• These chips need to play nice with the games that are out now, not just those that might be released in the future.
• That games will eventually be optimized to take advantage of Ryzen's tech today is simply not around the corner. Games take years to develop and be released. Even patching current games takes time to develop, and in patching (for AMD's sake), that'll just be a stop gap a may not provide the full experience AMD and it's fans expect.
• Unfortunately, in my opinion, the only way for AMD's chip perform on par or surpass Intel in the gaming department is for games to be developed with these chips in mind. Again, this is a long process and by the time that happens, both AMD and Intel will have new hardware. By then the playing field may be completely different with AMD once again playing catch up as Intel will have then become more price competitive.

Not a hater, just looking at things realistically. I do like the fact the AMD put out these chips because it forces Intel's hand, especially if they (AMD) succeed.

 

I am thinking that a good number of consumers that are considering upgrading to include gamers will take into consideration that the frame-loss while gaming might be acceptable considering that you can buy the top-shelve Ryzen and the top of the line GPU for the same money you will spend on the top Intel processor.......

I am not an AMD fanboy but I am a cost conscious consumer and for the money AMD is still a good option....

 

The irony of the situation is how many people are going to look at some of the problems AMD is having and the fact that Intel will most likely start dropping prices and go buy the Intel chip they couldn't afford before. Certainly not AMD's intention.

 

Yea Steve.....that is a possibility but I really doubt that Intel will drop their prices to be in line with AMD pricing....

Wouldn't it nice to see a Processor price war like the old time Gas price wars........

 

But definitely my intention *chuckle