Windows 10: Is there a point in creating an image of your SSD and HD separately?

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  1. C0zzie Win User

    Is there a point in creating an image of your SSD and HD separately?


    I am creating a Macrium image of my SSD and HD separately.

    I had some worrying issues with my PC yesterday with black screen/white mouse cursor and Kernel Power 41 so I had help from Microsoft tech to reinstall Windows 10 on the SSD without losing files.

    When you 'restore' an image (using the CD), and you have an SSD and HDD, can you select just the 'SSD image' that is separate? Or do you have to create 1 image, that includes both SSD and HDD, and restore that 1 file?

    -How does it know to put 1 image back onto the 2 drives I am using?

    -Also, if the SSD breaks down, but the HDD is fine, can you just use the 'SSD' image you made to restore it?

    ..if this makes sense?

    Thank You

    :)
     
    C0zzie, Sep 7, 2017
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  2. Ugo Lopez Win User

    how to replace system drive and re-install windows 10

    Yes Dale, I think I was too synthetic. The procedure for what you ask is the below:

    1) Download Macrium Reflect Free 7

    Macrium Software | Macrium Reflect Free

    2) Create a restore media following instructions in the link (this will be used later on, when you'll swap your HD)

    3) Image your Windows System Drive (from C to B or L)

    4) Swap your C disk (SSD with a larger SSD)

    5) Restore on the larger SSD your system disk via restore media you created in point 2) and image you created in 3)

    You can also find several video tutorials here:

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=im...

    Please let me know wether I correctly understood.
     
    Ugo Lopez, Sep 7, 2017
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  3. Neox99 Win User
    Windows 10 And Creating A Disk Image To A New SSD

    No

    I did the same here with NO problems
     
    Neox99, Sep 7, 2017
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  4. Is there a point in creating an image of your SSD and HD separately?

    Are you using Windows Imaging or a third party product?

    I've never actually tried, but I wouldn't think you could make an image that was composed of partitions from two or more hard drives.

    And even if I could, I don't see why I would.

    If you have an SSD and a HD, you could make an image of each. Each would be completely separate. You would then restore them separately as you saw fit to the specific hard drive destination of your choice. The destination drive has to be large enough to accept the restored image.

    You say "if this makes sense". Maybe not. I'm not entirely sure I understand your situation, so maybe you can give further details.

    I assume your SSD contains Windows and that your HD contains something other than Windows--such as data of some type. If that is the case, I personally would not make an image of the HD. I'd just back up whatever is on the HD through ordinary non-imaging means. But maybe the HD doesn't contain data??

    More details and further clarity would help.
     
    ignatzatsonic, Sep 7, 2017
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  5. arachnaut Win User
    I do many types of image backups for a variety of reasons/disaster scenarios:

    1) I image just the C: system partition quite often
    2) I image the full system disk with all its partitions before Windows updates
    3) I image various other partitions less frequently.

    Here are the scenarios I plan for:

    1) Since the C partition is small (especially if you turn off restore points which can easily become multi-GB in size) I can image it in about 10-15 minutes (with verify). The small size and quick backup makes it easy to do this, even I could schedule it if I wanted. I generally don't do that because only I know when the full dataset on the C drive is in some known good state.

    If I get some anomaly in Windows, I can restore a previous image faster than I can debug the problem.

    2) If any hard drive fails I can restore it individually.

    The advantage of partition backups is that they are far smaller than a full disk backup if you partition disks in some intelligent fashion.

    The disadvantage of partition-only backups is when you have some data that is common to something else on other drives - then a single restore could make something out-of-sync. For example the email agent may be on one drive and the email account data on another.

    3) I have several very big drives. I partition some of them with a small top partition - a few hundred GB in size. I label these partitions TMP1, TMP2, etc. Since they are at the top of the rotating disk, the latency and read times are fast. I use this area for system temp files, Chrome internet caches, Windows search indices, etc. This offloads stuff that might be in the C drive and things that can cause frequent fragmentation issues. Also, this data, if lost, is not very serious or it is easy to re-generate. These things don't ever need to be backed up. Also, disk fetches for that data can occur at the same time as system data is being fetched, with superior latencies due to parallelism.

    4) I have 2 very large (4TB) drives - Big Boy (H) and Big Girl (I). These are what I call my computer 'attic'. They are full of stuff that I never want to backup, because of the size, but I don't want to lose. So I have a copy. H and I are identical and I sync them with robocopy periodically. I put all my install files on H, photos and videos, Rip folders, etc. Then every week or two I sync H: to I:.

    5) I have two backup programs - Acronis is for only partition images, Retrospect is only for nightly incremental backups. Each program has it's own dedicated external drive that is usually mounted.

    The point is - give some thought to the design of your drives, partitions, and backups. They all form a single eco-system.
     
    arachnaut, Sep 7, 2017
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  6. From the OP

    I use MR and I would make separate images
     
    Josey Wales, Sep 7, 2017
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  7. Berton Win User
    Ditto!
     
    Berton, Sep 7, 2017
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  8. Porthos Win User

    Is there a point in creating an image of your SSD and HD separately?

    I do the same with MR. SSD is backed up monthly before updates and data drive when I feel I made significant changes (I don't usually make many additions).
     
    Porthos, Sep 7, 2017
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  9. C0zzie Win User
    ah dang! I just realised something obvious from reading @ignatzatsonis's last paragraph.
    My SSD contains my OS (Windows 10), general softwares (HD tune, Spotify, CCleaner), editing softwares (such as Maya, Photoshop, Unity etc) and 1 Game (might add more to it)
    My 2TB internal HD is only a storage drive which contains; -Documents -Downloads -Music -Pictures -Videos
    I also have all of this backed up manually (copy and paste) onto an external HD (that I used for University)

    So...I actually dont need to create an image of my HD if its just a storage right...?
    I only need to create an image of my SSD, whether its before an Windows Update (that rolls out every Tuesday I think), or if I make big changes, like software edits etc.
     
    C0zzie, Sep 7, 2017
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  10. cereberus Win User
    Use Macrium Reflect to image backup ssd (to hdd if you like).

    Use File History Backup or any 3rd party tool to backup folders from data drive.

    No need really to backup Data drive with Macrium. If you do, do it separately from ssd, partly to stop huge image backups, and partly in case a drive fails.
     
    cereberus, Sep 7, 2017
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  11. No, you don't need an image to backup data although some people back up data with that method. I prefer to do it by more ordinary means that are not complicated by the imaging process.

    Yeah, make a new image if possible before any significant changes to your C partition---whether those changes are done by MS updates or by your own fiddling. I make one once a month. In fact, I made a new one 30 minutes ago because I expect MS make a significant update circa next Tuesday.

    Your SSD likely has multiple partitions and I'd just make one image file containing ALL of those partitions. You'll end up with one Macrium file with an MRIMG extension.
     
    ignatzatsonic, Sep 7, 2017
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  12. Berton Win User
    I would consider a backup of my D: Data partition or drive to be an archive against something happening to my files, anything that exists nowhere else and would otherwise be hard to recover. To that end anything I want to keep is on at least one other drive.
     
    Berton, Sep 7, 2017
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  13. C0zzie Win User

    Is there a point in creating an image of your SSD and HD separately?

    Thanks for the clarification and advice guys
    And yes I am using Macrium *Smile

    I will create image backup of my SSD, including all partitons
    And manually backup data from my internal HD to an external

    Out of curiosity, I bought a separate 2TB external HD specifically for my image backups using Macrium.
    I also have another separate external HD which I had been using past year for University work, and recently manually backing up documents, photos etc.

    People say to have more than 1 external HD to backup photos, documents etc. Can I use my '2TB HD image backup ' to also backup data? Or just use it for the SSD image?
     
    C0zzie, Sep 7, 2017
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  14. You can use the 2 TB HD for any purpose you want.

    The Macrium image of your SSD will just be another file on it, like a picture of grandma.

    That file can co-exist on the same drive with any other files of your choice. I'd just put it in readily identifiable folder so you can easily find it if needed.

    A 2 TB drive that is used ONLY for Macrium images might be a waste of space. If you have 300 GB occupied on C, the image file will be near 150 GB. That 2 TB drive would hold maybe 13 image files of that size. Do you need to keep that many? I keep only the most recent 2 or 3, which are about 18 GB each in my case.

    You ought to make a backup of that Macrium file, just like you would any other important file. An ordinary copy of it.

    Multiple backups is always a good idea. Some use the cloud. Some use internal and external drives. Some use USB flash drives for at least some of their data. Some rotate the backups with one drive always kept in a safe deposit box off site.

    It all depends on your anxiety level and how big a deal it would be to lose your data.

    I'd guess worldwide that most people have no backup whatsoever.
     
    ignatzatsonic, Sep 7, 2017
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  15. C0zzie Win User
    ah so I can use my image backup external 2TB hd, and also add documents to it.
    I was somehow worried that when you boot the bootable CD, insert the external HD, and find the restore image I want, the documents also on the external HD will be a nuisance or get erased.

    Ok thanks again *Smile
     
    C0zzie, Sep 7, 2017
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