Windows 10: Latest on SSD settings on Win-10

I was so terribly wrong!

Code: C:\Windows.old>defrag -c -h -o -$ Microsoft Drive OptimizerCopyright (c) 2013 Microsoft Corp. Invoking defragmentation on System Reserved... Analysis: 100% complete. The operation completed successfully. Post Defragmentation Report: Volume Information: Volume size = 499.99 MB Free space = 471.78 MB Total fragmented space = 0% Largest free space size = 0 bytes Note: File fragments larger than 64MB are not included in the fragmentation statistics.[/quote] Microsoft has fixed NOTHING! *Banghead

 

Microsoft has fixed NOTHING! *Banghead[/quote] Glad to have gotten you away from the DARK SIDE. *Tongue

 

Thanks for bringing this up! Time to send more feedback to MS!

 

ok, so now based on vadim's article, there are steps that can be taken to remove SSD from Defrag.

But if SSD is the only drive(s) in your unit then windows will defrag the crap out of your Recovery partition or any other partition that you keep selected

 

You're welcome.

Something just didn't feel right in this whole thing and vadim's article did make more sense than others.

 

Yes it's a good article. Wonder why Scott Hanselman has not wanted to put some pressure on the dev team too. One would think he has some saying in this matter?

Either way, because defragmentation is not deeded on SSDs, it should be disabled for those drives. There should be a way to get around this though with a switch to force defrag. I can come up with one reason why I would like to do this on the SSD and that is if I wanna make a sector to sector copy of the drive to a HDD, then the partition would already be defragmented once completed the copy to the HDD.

But then again, the sector to sector copy operation could have an auto defrag function built in which would be even better.

 

I AM VERY CLOSE TO STARTING MY OWN WINDOWS CLONE OS DEVELOPMENT JOURNEY, UNLESS MS CHANGES IT'S THINKING!


Sorry for shouting, but that statement needs the attention it deserves.

 

From my son's Windows 10 computer. He has an M2 drive on his mobo, and a 2TB spinner drive.
Code: PS C:\Windows\system32> Get-EventLog -LogName Application -Source "microsoft-windows-defrag" | sort timegenerated -desc| fl timegenerated, message TimeGenerated : 2/4/2017 5:20:42 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed retrim on (C TimeGenerated : 2/4/2017 5:20:42 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on (C TimeGenerated : 2/4/2017 5:20:42 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on Recovery TimeGenerated : 2/4/2017 5:13:29 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on 2TB-Data1 (D TimeGenerated : 1/29/2017 10:35:15 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on Recovery TimeGenerated : 1/29/2017 10:35:14 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on 2TB-Data1 (D TimeGenerated : 1/22/2017 5:17:02 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on Recovery TimeGenerated : 1/22/2017 5:17:01 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on 2TB-Data1 (D TimeGenerated : 1/14/2017 6:47:43 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on 2TB-Data1 (D TimeGenerated : 1/14/2017 6:47:43 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on Recovery TimeGenerated : 1/8/2017 2:04:44 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on 2TB-Data1 (D TimeGenerated : 1/8/2017 2:04:44 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on Recovery TimeGenerated : 1/3/2017 2:05:55 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on Recovery TimeGenerated : 1/3/2017 2:05:54 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed retrim on (C TimeGenerated : 1/3/2017 2:05:54 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on (C PS C:\Windows\system32>[/quote]
From my computer, running a 240GB SSD, and a 1TB spinner (I forgot I hooked it back up)

Code: PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> Get-EventLog -LogName Application -Source "microsoft-windows-defrag" | sort timegenerated -desc| fl timegenerated, message TimeGenerated : 2/4/2017 6:05:11 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on Data (D TimeGenerated : 2/4/2017 6:05:09 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on System Reserved TimeGenerated : 1/29/2017 1:47:37 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed retrim on (C TimeGenerated : 1/29/2017 1:47:37 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on (C TimeGenerated : 1/29/2017 1:32:20 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on Data (D TimeGenerated : 1/29/2017 1:25:27 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on System Reserved TimeGenerated : 1/16/2017 9:41:08 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on Data (D TimeGenerated : 1/16/2017 9:34:47 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on System Reserved TimeGenerated : 1/5/2017 9:41:14 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on System Reserved TimeGenerated : 12/25/2016 3:25:16 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed retrim on (C TimeGenerated : 12/25/2016 3:25:16 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on (C TimeGenerated : 12/25/2016 3:11:48 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on System Reserved TimeGenerated : 12/25/2016 2:02:33 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on System Reserved TimeGenerated : 11/24/2016 11:08:17 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on System Reserved TimeGenerated : 11/13/2016 9:17:41 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed retrim on (C TimeGenerated : 11/13/2016 9:17:41 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on (C TimeGenerated : 11/13/2016 8:55:28 PM Message : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on System Reserved PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>[/quote]

 

pparks1 - thank you for sharing the results.

Just reinforces that windows does indeed defrag a SSD under certain circumstances.

 

You are welcome.

I think the main point to take away from here is that Microsoft is identifying properly that you have an SSD, and that an intelligent defrag is taking place on a monthly basis, however it's not unnecessarily shortening the life of your SSD drive. It's a balance between performance and long life. And honestly, I want performance day to day. I will have replaced my SSD in almost any circumstance due to capacity issues or new technology long before it craps out due to it's finite # of writes.

I'm still running my first 80GB Intel X25-M G2 from Oct 2009 (Payed $250). It's my Windows 7 install from my previous computer build. I just disconnected it a few months ago, because I wanted to install Windows 10 on the box and figured that 80GB just wasn't going to cut it anymore. My new 240GB PNY drive was $60. But my Intel drive was over 7 years old without nary an issue.

 

I'm not sure that I'm and some others now are as upbeat as you sound. Rather, there is no need to Defrag a SSD as it is bad. Rather windows should just TRIM. But with system restore enabled and optimize enabled on the machine, windows defrags which is not needed.

 

I'm a systems admin for a living, both Windows and Linux. (and I have a MacBook Pro as does my daughter) I have earned Systems Engineer certifications from both Microsoft and RedHat.

While I don't think that MIcrosoft is infallible, I'm pretty sure that their software developers and engineers have more skills and knowledge into this matter than I have. I'm of the opinion that they are aware of the popular belief that an SSD doesn't need to be defragged, and in fact should NOT be defragged. If you have System restore enabled, they are electing to do some defragging. I'm sure it's not because they are daft, or simply were unaware, I'm sure they have a reason for doing it.

Like I said above, I have a 7+ year old 80GB Intel SSD drive still going strong. My wife has a Samsung laptop which is nearly 4 years old with a 128GB SSD in it and it's running just fine. My 256GB SSD in my MacBookPro that I bought almost 3 years ago is also running just fine.
My experience shows that these sorts of things simply are nothing to concern myself with.

 

Be that as it may, was curious if you've gone through scott's and vadim's articles.

 

Hi,

How's defragging a SSD going to hurt it any more than doing say, an image restore ??


And, BTW, has anyone actually defragged a SSD and enjoyed the difference in speed ?


Oh, to add insult to injury, W10 defrags UASP connected SSDs as if they'd be spinners.....

Urban myths and the internet, that's all you need.

Just saying that when it comes to new tech, all logic seems to be flying out of the window.

Cheers, *Wink

 

I have read Scott's, at least I've read this one.
The real and complete story - Does Windows defragment your SSD? - Scott Hanselman

Seemed his conclusion was basically the same opinion I had. It defrags, and for a reason and it's related to performance. It's not enough to worry about.

I have not read vadim's research.