Windows 10: Microsoft Brings Their Spying Features From Windows 10 to 7 & 8

If you REALLY think telemetry data (i.e. the mouse clicks and the files associated that prompt UAC controls) is spying you, you need to go wear a tin hat for the rest of your life.

This has been a part of Windows since forever. The system actively gathers data about how you use your PC and sends it back to Microsoft. No, it's not your internet history or what's installed on your PC and what software you've pirated. It's about how figuring out what parts of the OS are being used and what's not and what could use improvement. That telemetry data was what led to some of the design considerations of Windows 8, such as a lowered emphasis on the Desktop because the vast majority of activity from the vast majority of Windows users is something internet based, not file based.

There are bigger things to worry about privacy wise than a software company improving the way their product is used.

 

I had a feeling it was something like that, no big deal. Been there done that.

 

It's only the upgrade that's free and that's a limited time offer. If you buy a PC with Windows 10 preinstalled, its not free, Microsoft makes revenue off of that sale. Upgrade XP or Vista to Windows 10, you pay for the upgrade. Build a new PC and want Windows 10, your paying for it. Wait until the free upgrade offer expires, still want to upgrade, your paying for it. Etc. Microsoft is going to make money off of Windows 10 just like they do with any other OS they've released.

 

MS is forcing the upgrade upon everybody... I already upgraded to 10, removed windows 10 because to many problems or issues, so I clean installed windows 8.1, Blocked GWX and so on..

Here are the latest results.. Notice MS has it as an Important Update !! What The ?? Really..
Important to who ?? Not me or many other windows users...

 

Very well put. Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

 

Some people have a pre conceived notion that just gets reinforced with all these unsubstantiated claims. Even if Microsoft is upfront about what they are doing its branded as lies and deceit. They are going to believe what they want to believe and you can't change that. Some just can't ever admit that they are wrong about something, even when presented with the facts. Add to that, if you repeat something often enough it gets perceived as fact. And there will always be somebody intent on fanning the flams.

 

These kinds of debates all center around the definitions used of the terms. What to one person is "spying", to another person is "collecting telemetry data". As long as there is no agreed-upon definition, the debates continue on and the two opposing sides just dig in, defending their points of view.

It's not oppositional points of view that gets threads closed; instead, it's folks resorting the name-calling and insulting conduct.

 

It led to the debacle that is the W8 series.

So MS are going to sell improved versions of W7 & the W8 series?
That will really help sales of W10. *sarc

Fallacy of Relative Privation
List of fallacies - Wikipedia

 

Yup , no need to name call and insult , it's perfectly healthy and acceptable behavior to think your opposition are as "dumb as dumb gets" , just don't post it for everyone to see thats all .

 

Here is a simple question. I am not arguing which side is right or wrong. If Microsoft can download something to block software. How does Microsoft know your using pirated software from a 3rd party in the first place (For the record I don't)? I see this as a dangerous precedence if they can block software like that, whats to stop then from blocking legit software like firefox, google chrome, opera, palemoon, waterfox, etc..?

On a side issue,

There is another problem. At first Microsoft claimed all your software that you have installed on 8.1 or 7 would work on windows 10. That didn't last long. There is a lot of software that can't run on 10. There is another thread on here that list what can run on 10.

 

Had to do some work with Terminal in CentOS Linux. I have never installed Firefox by myself, I only have had it if a Linux distro installs it by default. I don't normally use my Linux virtual machines for net surfing but now decided to check the forums using Firefox which I don't like , and noticed this:




Made me laugh so that my stomach hurts. Funny that nobody is complaining about that *Smile

 

And that debacle lead into Windows 10, Windows 8.1 with a configurable Start Screen.

No. What do you think Windows 10 is? It's 7 and 8.1 mixed together. Get the telemetry data from those users, take back and analyze it to further refine the UI/UX of 10.

 

Meanwhile, google's policy is the "get to the line of creepy and not cross it."

Eric Schmidt: Google's Policy Is To - Business Insider

Google Crossed The Creepy Line - Business Insider

What never ceases to amaze me is how easily Microsoft can get flack for seemingly harmless data collection whereas google over here is constantly mining your personal and taking steps to break privacy, yet no one bats an eye.

 

Well, they tell you right then and there what they're doing, and give you the chance right up front to just turn it off - and then it's off and stays off. There's a difference. It's not OS-wide, and it's not ambiguous. You try to turn off various 'telemetry' options in Windows, and it seems to keep sending stuff to MS. And retro-fitting 7 and 8.1 to do the same thing is a bit dodgy, too. No one really knows what MS is doing with our 'telemetry' - I think that's the problem folks are having.

Google, on the other hand, is quite worrisome to me. And plenty of people have raised issues about it, all over the world.

 

If Google only collects marketing info, why has the government been making them change some things, like the agreements we have to sign. The government made them rewrite it so everyone can understand it. Why did it cost Google big bucks in Canada for the info they got from the Canadian Pharmacies and misused.

I will always have a Windows PC because I play games and I can't do that on a Mac. I am not an MS hater, I just got the strange idea that the computer is mine, I paid $900 + for it and no one has the right to come in and take info. I can take care of myself and my computer, I don't need big brother to do that. I like to read in the MS "ask" section, but can't post in there because I need an MS account which includes my phone number, 2 emails and of course my name. Then after I am in a pop up eventually comes up with wanting to secure my account with more info. I couldn't cancel the messed up accounts so I changed my email addresses. Then I just blocked what I could regarding MS and forgot it.