Windows 10: Microsoft locks Ryzen and Kaby Lake users out of updates on Windows 7

Well yes, they should be compatible with W7 of course but that's not as easy to accomplish.

 

MS is supporting the OS on hardware that was available in 2015, the official end date of support. And from a legal point of view they have no obligation to continue update support for new hardware with that OS. Why would anyone want to run Win7 on a Ryzen is beyond my understand.

 

Because they like Solitaire on W7 better ? Another generation of processors and that's only game you'd be able to play on it. I already tried to explain that new processor and system functions need to be routed in the kernel and that would require some rewriting. By same logic XP and all the way to DOS should be usable as each one was good/bad on it's own merit.

 

It's hard to convince some that doing this is a bit of work and MS will not make money from doing this work. And that's what they want to do is make money.

Secondly, if someone get a Ryzen they need a new motherboard that supports the AM4 socket. It's new and none of the old sockets will accept it. So right off of the bat you would be spending upwards of 400+ bucks on just the motherboard and processor. Oh and you might have to get DDR4 RAM.

At this stage it would only make sense to get a copy of Win10. I would want to make the most of that investment.

 

It's NOT a compatibility issue. The chips work on all OS's. The chip makers did noting wrong. It's MS disabling of OS updates on Windows 7 & 8 machines using these chips. It has nothing to do with compatibility, and everything to do with forcing users to Windows 10.

 

People need to think of this from a business side of view, not personal use.

Say a health care provider, or a utility company had a critical piece of software that has only been certified by the software company to run on Windows 7/8. To go to a product that is certified on Windows 10 would require new software and an upgrade process to go from the old to the new, as well as hardening the OS from a security point of view. The cost of all that could run into the millions.

Basically Microsoft is forcing companies to do this before the OS is even EOL. Microsoft still is offering mainstream support for Windows 8.1 until 2018, extended support until 2023. I am pretty sure the manufacturers won't be making the old motherboards or CPUs 1-2 years from now.

So yeah it is easy to tell your friends and family just to use Windows 10, for a company it's not so easy.

And for the record I am using Windows 10 and am fine with it, and working on implementing it in our workplace.

 

If you must run specific SW on a specific OS might as well stay on HW all of that is compatible on. It's not going to be any worse that it was at that time. Many are still using XP and HW made at that time. I know of a 386 running custom SW that includes OS and is used to control a wood sawmill. Nothing wrong with it, still works same as first day.

 

The same reason some would rather use a crippled Win 10 OS by turning this, that, and everything under the sun off. Choice, fear, comfort.

Everyone isn't you and I, and don't have to think or see things the we do, or would like them to. Regardless, there's absolutely no reason for MS to be taking this stance other than forcing more Win 10 usage.

That said, I'm already on 10, see no reason to hang on to 7, but It doesn't change the fact I feel this is totally wrong and see no justification for it other than another path to a forced upgrade.

 

I tried running XP on this system and it's a hard work just to get it going so-so. System have no support in drivers as well as no support for advanced HW features. All of that is waiting to happen to W7, will just loose so much performance so HW upgrade would become useless money pit.

 

That is only true if MS wants to keep selling Windows AND (W10's market share keeps increasing OR revenues related to W10 keep increasing).

If peeps paid attention, they'd notice that MS drops/replaces products that aren't generating "enough" ROI.

For the same reason that has prevailed for the last ~35 years, improved performance.

Agreed.

My W7 VMs seem to perform identically to my physical machine, apart from:

• Boot time (at least twice as long)
• Certain tools that demand direct access to a graphics card

 

For information on the updates click the link and read the entire article at gHacks:

KB4012218, KB4012219: Windows Update processor generation detection

 

In your case turning things off makes sense but to the majority of users it sure doesn't so Win10 isn't crippled. And yes... it is my opinion but you keep saying that MS should keep the updates going for the new chips but they don't have to and unless some court rules otherwise they will not.

And in closing you seem to miss the key point. When you get a Ryzen processor you have to get a new motherboard because the AM4 socket is new and you can't just plug that processor into an existing motherboard you may have lying around. Those two items with the cost of the current hardware available will run about 400 bucks and then you may have to add RAM.

With that investment into a performance rig it only makes sense to get a new OS for it.

 

It is not based in reality for anybody including MS to keep on updating obsolete (or just old) stuff. HW makers are probably last to support their old products. MS is keeping some of that alive longer that HW manufacturers do. I'm all for that MS gets some of the staff involved in old OS to better support W10.

 

Id like to start off by saying that I understand how some feel about this issue. It would be 'nice' if MS would continue support for Win7/8.1 to the new chips that Intel/AMD have come up with. For an individual it would be a cost saving to not have to upgrade to that dreaded 10 and save them about 100 bucks in their new PC.

Business. well. They tend to purchase hardware and don't do upgrades and when they do it's cost of upgrades are just a part of business. I know for a fact that my health provider just did a complete system upgrade, hardware, OS, software, last year and it just was the cost of doing business. If there is a piece of software that can't be ported to 10 there's no harm in keeping it on the existing hardware/OS. It will still run just fine. There's no compelling reason to perform an upgrade on that PC. If it works it works.

To me this is just the old MS is evil for doing anything. There's no legal or moral obligation to keep Win7 going anymore.

J..

 

I was just checking at AMD site for chipset drivers and for Ryzen platform there are drivers only for W10, no others. Not even HW manufacturers are interested in keeping up with older OSs. They know well that their HW will not perform at it's best in W7 and earlier.