Windows 10: Microsoft Needs to Kill Windows 8 to Make Windows 10 a Hit, Says HP

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  1. labeeman Win User

    Microsoft Needs to Kill Windows 8 to Make Windows 10 a Hit, Says HP

    labeeman, Aug 21, 2015
  2. ARC1020 Win User

    The reason PC makers aren't shifting units is because of their mediocre hardware. There's little reason for people to buy new machines with what they've been serving up, as I highlighted back in May in another post (Post 12 at below link).

    The free Windows 10 upgrade means users won't be buying New PCs

    Although, it's not all bad news for PC makers with high Windows 8 inventory levels. Since that post when I said that I was probably going to buy a new computer 6-12 months after Windows 10 is released, I'm in the position now where I don't want to be stuck with Windows 10 and am therefore going to buy a new PC sooner than planned, whilst I can still readily get Windows 8.1 Pro. Windows 8.1 still has mainstream support until January 2018 and extended support until January 2023, which will give me more time to assess just what direction Microsoft is going in, because although Windows 10 seems to be well received by some, so far the direction they're going in is not for me.

    ARC1020, Aug 21, 2015
  3. Billaboard Win User
    Is there a straightforward button to hit to kill the upgrade notice for Windows 10

    Original title: Update wimboot 8.1 machine to Windows 10 wimboot?

    I have a Windows 8.1 tablet, WIMBOOT, compressed OS on a 32GB SSD.

    It is now nagging me to update to Windows 10.

    The manufacturer seems to have brought out a Windows 10 version of the tablet, but doesn't appear to offer a Windows 10 image to install.

    I hate Windows 8.1, so I would be happy to update from that to 10, but to be of any use the tablet has to retain a decent working area to match my ancient Blackberry PlayBook. I don't want to install an uncompressed Windows 10, and have looked through a
    forum relating to the tablet (Linx 10") which seems full of stories of problems.

    Is selling the tablet the only sensible option or is there a straightforward button to hit to kill the update notices?

    I've moved all my main machines back to Windows 7 and disabled anything that leads to later OS's, but I really don't have fingers that can navigate text on a tablet screen.
    Billaboard, Aug 21, 2015
  4. Sangeeta Sarkar Win User

    Microsoft Needs to Kill Windows 8 to Make Windows 10 a Hit, Says HP

    Is there a straightforward button to hit to kill the upgrade notice for Windows 10

    Hi Billa,

    Thank you for posting your query on Microsoft Community.

    I suggest you to refer to the steps given by Sharif K in the below link and check if it helps:

    How do I turn off notifications to upgrade to Windows 10?

    Let us know if it helps. We will be glad to assist you further.

    Thank you.
    Sangeeta Sarkar, Aug 21, 2015
  5. Mark Phelps Win User
    So, HP can't move their inventory of Win8 machines -- and they basically shift the responsibility of doing that to another company?

    When auto dealers want to move out the remainder of last year's models, what do they do? Do they "kill off" last year's models? NO They give heavy discounts on last year's models in order to make them more attractive in the market place.

    I'm sure that if HP heavily discounted their Win8 machines, and threw in free technical support to upgrade them to Win10 -- they would be astounded at how fast those machines would move.

    Wow -- yet another CEO who just doesn't "get it"!
    Mark Phelps, Aug 21, 2015
  6. BillyBob Win User
    So what direction would you like them to go in. I've upgraded 4 computers and a phone to Windows 10, all as different as can be, no problems whatsoever.
    I don't know what I'm talking about, but if it was me I'd wait for the machine with the hardware built for Windows 10, but that's just me.
    BillyBob, Aug 21, 2015
  7. lehnerus2000 Win User
    OEMs should ask MS for W10 "free upgrades", to replace their stockpile of unsellable W8.
    lehnerus2000, Aug 21, 2015
  8. Ztruker Win User

    Microsoft Needs to Kill Windows 8 to Make Windows 10 a Hit, Says HP

    Anyone who buys one gets the free upgrade to Windows 10 until July 29th of 2016.

    I agree advertising a new computer with Win 10 already loaded would help them though.
    Ztruker, Aug 21, 2015
  9. Antilope Win User
    If HP quit making computers, not many would miss it. It's a shell of its once famous self. I respect Microsoft and its decisions.
    Antilope, Aug 21, 2015
  10. popeye Win User
    With 10 pushing the cloud and the automatic updates I may switch to Linux if 8.1 is killed early. With capped satellite internet I need to be able to control my updates and I just generally hate the cloud. Yea, I'm old. *Smile

    And no, I'm not going to keep turning metered connection on and off, give me a break!
    popeye, Aug 21, 2015
  11. Allison Win User
    I have to agree, HP actually pushed me to finally choose another laptop brand and go into custom build desktops with their shoddy machines. It's their drama if they can't get rid of Windows 8.1/8 and Windows Ten exclusively won't make people go out and buy new HP machines, fresh off the production line.
    Allison, Aug 21, 2015
  12. DavidY Win User
    This is a good point - Microsoft are hardly likely to withdraw support early on Windows 8.1. Some corporates with Windows 8.1 already rolled out across their organisation may well want to stay there, so would take a very dim view if Microsoft cut short the support timescales.
    DavidY, Aug 21, 2015
  13. alphanumeric New Member

    Microsoft Needs to Kill Windows 8 to Make Windows 10 a Hit, Says HP

    Sounds good but not so easy to do. Especially for boxed inventory. It's a lot of work to unbox, redo the factory image for Windows 10, replace the packaging/documentation, rebox etc. Especially if that inventory is already shipped to Retail outlets. You can't just do the free upgrade and put it back in the box. The consumer is going to want a working factory reset function and proper documentation and manuals. I would think most OEM's will just let the consumer do the free upgrade.
    alphanumeric, Aug 21, 2015
  14. ARC1020 Win User
    Microsoft are going in the advertising and search direction, instead of focusing on business and productivity that Microsoft used to be about. We've already seen some of the affects of that with Cortana and Bing Search being built-in at OS level, ads in apps, etc. and this is still early days, with forced updates they can push out whatever they want in the future.

    I used to like Microsoft and their products because they were an engineering company with a strong lean towards business and productivity, not a sales and marketing company pretending to be a tech company so they can target consumers with the latest fad and cash in on their users data. With Microsoft being in the advertising and search business, it creates a conflict of interest because it's not just you who's their customer by paying for the Windows licence, but the advertising companies and various other agencies are as well. And with corporations being the greedy entities they are, monitoring, data collecting and tracking people in order to obtain greater advertising revenue would be inevitable.

    Also, Microsoft are systematically replacing proper desktop software with low functionality, poorly thought out, screen-space wasting, mobile phone apps. With Windows 8.1 it's possible to just ignore all the 'apps' and carry on as normal, but with Windows 10 it's only a matter of time before all the legacy software disappears and we're just left with dumbed down apps. We've already seen it happen with Windows Photo Viewer, where a reg hack is needed to bring it back after a clean install. And we've already seen the effects of forced updates with the Windows 10 Mail App, where it isn't possible to go back to or keep using older versions of the app even if the latest version has functionality removed and you don't get on with the changes that have been implemented. Universal apps sounded like a nice idea, until the realisation sunk in that they would be dictatorship style apps created to accommodate for the lowest common denominator, which is a consumer mobile phone.

    Subscription apps are likely to be the next thing to come to the Windows store, where you will be held ransom by your software. Keep paying up, or else it stops functioning properly. And if it's not subscriptions, you'll no doubt have to put up with distracting ads in your software instead, while all the time it hoovering up as much data about you as it can in order to sell on.

    Windows is now facing an identity crisis. At a time where Microsoft are promoting the idea of 'One Windows', I think if ever there was a need to split Windows between consumer and business this is it. On one hand you have consumers where quite a few of them view their computer as merely a gadget/toy, the cheaper and trendier the better and don't consider functionality or privacy implications. On the other end you have people who are very much business orientated, consider Windows to be a tool, and strongly consider functionality and privacy implications. It's naive of Microsoft to assume people just use Windows to browse the web and keep up with whatever the latest app craze is.

    All in all, for the time being Windows 10 doesn't offer me anything new that I want or need, other than it comes with a built-in PDF printer now. Most of the changes are things I don't want or need from a desktop PC. It's only my own interests I have in mind, Microsoft still get paid whether the licence I get is Windows 8.1 or Windows 10, especially if I end up going for a barebones PC with a retail version of Windows 8.1 Pro. But by going for Windows 8.1 I keep my options open for now. So that's what I mean by saying I want more time to assess just what direction Microsoft is going in.
    ARC1020, Aug 21, 2015
  15. Antilope Win User
    Large computer mfg's are ALWAYS doing rework. Years ago, I worked for one of the largest computer mfg's that made 22 pallets of PC's and then realized the build plan had added the wrong power cord. The box was labeled for a 120-volt U.S. model and they had added 220-volt power cords for a non-U.S. model. Things like this happen frequently, so a rework to update software is not a big deal.
    Antilope, Aug 21, 2015

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