Windows 10: Microsoft Needs to Kill Windows 8 to Make Windows 10 a Hit, Says HP

That means flashing a new product code into the BIOS of every PC they convert to a Windows 10 license. Assuming OEM product codes are embedded like they are for Windows 8.1. As far as I know, its not a simple BIOS flash either. Your normal BIOS flash that you or I do won't alter the embedded key. It's a special procedure. The key s are unique too, so you have to keep track of what key went on what PC. Time and money some OEM's won't want to invest. IMHO

 

Ah, I see now. Is a Full Flash Update as good as a clean install then ? I see that one diff in Control Panel/Recovery/Reset This PC is that my orig 8.1 still has option to reset to orig factory config, but new one only has the options to reset with or without programs and data. I'm asking because I used the 'create recovery drive' tool to make a backup for this person. I assume that will reinstall the HP add ons like Cyberlink too ?

On my 8.1, after the 30 day trial and the Windows.old is auto deleted, will the recovery drive reset to orig Windows 8.1 or 10 ? If 8.1, I should just clear Drive D then ? I had this option before when I created a recovery drive for the orig computer but kept it anyway. Thanks for considering all these Q's.

 

I don't have a PC with an OEM Windows 10 install, so I can't say for sure what happens when you do the reset. If it's done from the custom OEM image on the hard drive I would expect all the OEM installed programs and Apps to be there. I can't test this out though.

What happens after 30 days is the Windows.old gets deleted do to scheduled maintenance task. Whether you clear drive D depends on what's on it? I haven't got time right now go back and see if you posted info on that.

 

Many thanks Superfly i got it *Smile

Z

 

Yes I understand, and yes I agree it is a sidetrack.. *Smile

 

There are plenty of Windows (Serious users in particular) who muck about with other OS. Sometimes it can be old Windows and DOS to run old games or programs for fun. Sometimes it is Linux or even Atari Amiga or BBC computer OS. John the site owner usually does not mind the odd mention of Linux but if you have serious questions posts you can go to the sister site :

PC Help Forum

 

That's more than a bit of an exaggeration. HP is still a force in the PC marketplace.

 

Some of your reasons are invalid. Edge is not slow. Only ads slow it down and when you are able to block those it will blaze. DX 12 games are already on the horizon and at least one is scheduled to launch in the near future. Some already existing games will add DX 12 support like World of Warcraft did with DX 11 and probably will do with 12. I do agree about Cortana, she's been silenced since day one.

I have never seen an HP that couldn't be upgraded, especially the desktop models. HP has no proprietary hardware. All their components come from other companies like Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Western Digital, Foxconn, MSI, etc., etc., etc. Their laptops are limited in upgradeability but the same is true for nearly all laptops.

 

Multi monitor support has improved. Modern Apps now remember what screen they were last opened on. Snap works better. Start Screen is easier to organize, etc, etc. I run triple monitors. That by itself makes it worth my while to run 10 over 8.1. Windows 10 is going to see new features. Windows 8.1, not so much, if at all.

 

"...I have never seen an HP that couldn't be upgraded, especially the desktop models..."

YES!

I got an HP "refurbished" recently for just over $100 SHIPPED...with an E8400 dual core cpu @ 3 GHZ.....

with anew keyboard and mouse and Windows 7...(with Free upgrade to Windows 10)*chuckle

I can't "build them" that cheap!!!*Cool

 

"If it's done from the custom OEM image on the hard drive I would expect all the OEM installed programs and Apps to be there."
That's what I'm suspecting. The Recovery drive D is 16gb, about the same as on my orig 8.1 device.

I'm very happy with 10 so if the .old folder is deleted, I have no problem with that. Attached screenshot of what Recovery Manager does now. As you can see, I can basically use it to rollback or reinstall orig drivers and bloatware that I uninstalled. In the right column, I prev used the 'Recovery Media Creation' option to copy D to a USB. You can only use this once, so now the option is N/A.

At that time, I was then offered the 'Remove Recovery Partition' option which I declined, hence I have this repair console still on the machine. I'm thinking to just exercise this after the .old folder is deleted to free the disk space since I will never go back to 8.1. If I then try to use the 'Create Recovery Drive' tool in Control Panel, I'm assuming there's nothing there to copy. Can I put the .wim image off of my Windows 10 install DVD created from the MS media creation tool there in it's place ? Does my line of thinking seem sound ? Thanks for your help, as always.

 

I would expect one of those options to put it back to the OOBE. Out Of the Box Experience, a factory reset to what it was like the first time you turned it on. The one that says "Restore the system to it's original factory state". Other options would be the normal reset, save or don't save your files. Looks like there are lots of options depending on how bad things are messed up.

 

Thinking about this? One way to do it is to release only security/bug fixes. No new features/upgrades. If you want new features you have to upgrade to Windows 10. Some won't like it of course. They may have already made that decision, who knows?

 

Valid points, I suppose Windows 10 has it's place. I would hardly call triple monitors, the "norm", and Windows 8.1 remembers the previous screen app positions. I personally, like playing with my personalize tools, and my DVDs and home movies, so Windows 10 just leaves me dry. I really much prefer the Windows 8 tablet mode over 10, with my 3rd party menu, for me it is far, far more functional then 10 ever could be.

Not saying it is bad, just don't think it is any better. After the free upgrade thing, wears off, I think Windows 10 will have a slow adoption, some reports already show a decline. In the future if I have to spend bucks, I would sooner buy 8 over 10, but that is just me. LOL but I still use Windows 7 as my main work engine *chuckle

 

Windows 8.1 remembers what screen desktop programs are last opened on, didn't work for Modern Apps though. Not the last time I used Windows 8.1 anyway. The Weather App and Slacker Radio always opened on my main monitor and I'd have to move them to the one I actually wanted them on. The only way around it was to show my taskbar and taskbar icons on all screens, then click the App Icon on the screen I wanted it to open on. Maybe they updated it? In Windows 10 I can click the icon on my main taskbar and it opens where I last left it.