Windows 10: Microsoft Needs to Kill Windows 8 to Make Windows 10 a Hit, Says HP

There is this too:

Windows Update Automatic Updates - Enable or Disable in Windows 10 - Windows 10 Forums

Windows Updates - Hide or Show in Windows 10 - Windows 10 Forums

 

Thanks, tomseys! I will follow up in one of the other threads with a particular concern that I have.

 

Is HP and the other OEMs in denial ? Answer: yes ...More than a billion PCs are over three years old, and there's little reason to replace them | ZDNet As per my previous post (#59) in this thread , I think the W10 OEM cartel is doomed. Media coverage such as this questions why this cartel even exists. If OEMs are going to survive they will have to disassociate themselves from MS and offer new hardware as-is - new hardware should come with either no OS or a user choice OS pre-installed - no more OEM software EULAS. Stay out of the OS wars and sell PCs, MACs, tablets, smart phones, accessories and peripherals. OEMs also need to stop modifying driver sets and leave them open to manufacturer updates. IMO, that would increase sales and improve user satisfaction with their products and services.

 

I think it would have the opposite effect. Most people buy a PC and expect it to have an OS on it so they can plug it in, do a minimal setup and start using it. They really don't care what OS as long as they can use it and it's familiar to them. This pretty much means Windows.

Hardware with no OS is a techy thing, not a consumer want. Being able to choose which OS could be nice but again, most people know only Windows so alternatives like Linux would not fare well at all.

I do like the idea of disassociating the OS from the hardware but I don't see that as being economically feasible.

 

I have the Envy 4500 series Printer one of the beat I have ever had.
No matter how much work you got just a click of the button and away it goes.
I like the way it prints the last page first, also they take care of my ink and before o have even run out more is delivered to my door.
The old empty cartridges taken away/
Works well with windows 10 on all our computers, tablets and smartphones

 

The model I have been following for much of my life is that if a computer is 5 years old or older its probably time to think about upgrading or getting a new one. the most a computer has lasted me is 10 years and I usally don't change anything in it. The only exception to the rule is my Hp Envy 700-414 witch before the end of its first year that I owned it I changed from 8.1 to windows 10.

 

I agree with you that plug and play (and Windows) is what the majority of buyers want, but I see no reason for an OEM license (which was really my point). I expect a lot of people believe that they do not pay for the OEM license on a new PC, but they do. Whatever the OEM gets Windows for from MS, they still mark it up to reflect install, testing and support costs. It may eventually come pretty close to the cost of a full retail license. The $100/yr subscription fee in the 2nd year of W10, ( if implemented) is the elephant in the room.

 

Bing edition was free (apparently) How much does Microsoft make from PC makers with Windows 8.1? | ZDNet

Haven't seen any leaks of Windows 10 OEM pricing....

 

Professional can defer updates too. They still get the security updates immediately, its just feature updates and such which can defer.

 

Does that work though if you are not on CBB? Was wondering about that earlier here Microsoft Releases the Win 10 Tool That Helps Block Botched Updates - Page 2 - Windows 10 Forums

 

It is not consistency for you, its consistency for them. They develop going forward for what is new. They use that same code on all of their devices, (phones, pc's, xbox, tablets). This opens up technology options they did not have before.

Updates are going to be tough for many. You can defer with professional. Either way, security updates will come when they come. It more or less works on xbox. Security has always been a complaint with Windows, XP and such were too free, now we might be getting too tight. But unless you force the issue, you will have people not doing it, and experiencing problems that were long ago fixed. And testing that stuff works is easier, when people are all on the same versions of things. Updates can be an unknown, when a bunch of other updates are missing.

 

I would not be surprised if it was zero dollars for 1 year for those in the cartel - with T+Cs attached. The OEMs are still ticked off that the users got the free upgrade for 1 year.

 

The truth is in a few years everything will be windows 10 related as you won't be able to find very much windows 7 or 8.1 computers on store shelves anyways.

 

If 8.1 support ever comes to a close prior to its EOL date, I'm starting to think I'll just do this (plus it should bypass all of the telemetry updating too.)

Will Windows 8.1 If Kept Offline? - Windows 8 - MSFN Forum

 

On the shelves, that is for sure, however what remains installed is another thing altogether. MS is intent on pushing both W7 and W8 off installed systems and that is another thing altogether. It has not hurt MS so far - yes the blogisphere has gone nuclear but mainstream media has no idea or they have been paid to totally ignore what is going on. Twitter is manic and Facebook is dysfunctional idiocy. I am not anti W10, in fact I am using it under VM, so I have no horse in the race. As the thread is about HP recommending W8 be flushed to improve new hardware sales - I find that reprehensible.