Windows 10: Microsoft sets stage for massive Windows 10 upgrade strategy

MS can't be blamed if your hardware is old or the driver support is poor. There are way too many factors that go into problems and blaming MS for all of them is not realistic.

 

If the TOS can be read as 'I can forcefully break your computers without you being able to prevent that and without me being liable' then such a TOS will not be legally enforceable. It would also be extremely bad for Microsoft marketing, I don't think that even Microsoft itself will read the TOS that way.

(The correct spelling is liable, BTW. Libel is something else.)

There are sufficient people affected or potentially affected, that the cumulative November update was pulled and the corrected updates spread over time, for example. I think you are not willing to see the facts.

 

That is not the issue.

The issue is that GWX says reassuringly 'This computer is compatible with Windows 10' even if the manufacturer says it is not compatible with Windows 10. I have such a newish (2 year old) computer, that I refuse to upgrade. That's after reading the manufacturer support forum about people having problems after upgrading to Windows 10, relying on what the GWX/Microsoft told them.

There is a clear liability issue in such problem cases.

 

If MS continues on the forced update/upgrade path I can see a class action lawsuit coming.

 

I have seen several users run into freezes and hangs after upgrading to Win 10 - about a quarter of the Win 10 users I know - and it appears to be related to the new adaptive display coding not being nice to older display drivers.

 

I think you are missing the point somewhat, this is not about hardware compatibility, but about a new O.S. being pushed onto unsuspecting peoples machines. If i went and purchased a copy of Windows 10, or even downloaded the free ISO and went about purposefully upgrading my O.S. then you would be correct.

Here though we are talking about Microsoft pushing this upgrade onto machines where the owner has specificity chosen to not upgrade even gone to the lengths of changing a group policy setting or disabling O.S. upgrades via the registry, in other words saying clearly to Microsoft 'I do not want Windows 10, downloaded or installed on my machine', then Microsoft changing those settings leaving the unwitting seemingly with no choice but to upgrade.. then Microsoft clearly are responsible for putting you machine right.

Even if you do take compatibility as an issue, isn't it meant to check if your computer is upgradeable before offering the upgrade.

Compatibility report for Windows 10: FAQ - Windows Help


The compatibility report in the Get Windows 10 app makes sure your PC can run Windows 10. The report also lists any problems with your devices, apps, PC, and other important info you need to know before you upgrade.

If your PC doesn’t meet the system requirements or includes incompatible hardware, it means you won’t be able to upgrade your PC to Windows 10.

So yes, you definitely CAN blame Microsoft if it does not work

 

Windows 10 E.U.L.A users can't join a class action lawsuit. Each user can take action in small claims court or federal court. If it is over a certain amount (I think it is $70,000) you have to use arbitration. Jurisdiction & location on small claims court depends if you have a Microsoft office located in your state.

As I said before putting windows 10 in either recommend or optional update could get hairy.

Is there anything in windows 7, 8 or 8.1 E.U.L.A. that says Microsoft can upgrade my system to windows 10 or download windows 10 to my computer or even list it in the recommend updates or optional updates section?

Do optional update install if windows 7, 8 or 8.1 windows update is set to autoupdate?

For the record I have windows 10 installed on my other partition.

 

All of this wouldn't be as big of a problem if the upgrade to W-10 was near perfect 100% of the time but that is far from reality or, if the built-in process of returning to your previous OS was flawless and resulted in the PC being returned to exactly the state it was in before the upgrade but this is far from reality as well. I voluntarily upgraded my laptop from 8.1 to W-10 on day 1. The PC was rated as "Good To Go" according to MS and it had even been tested by HP for compatibility but I still had problems after the upgrade and reverted to my previous OS (8.1) after 29 days using the built-in tool but it was not flawless. After returning to 8.1 I experienced odd behavior and it took a couple weeks of effort to return the PC to exactly the state it was in before the upgrade.

MS is very wrong with this aggressive push to upgrade previous OS's but it is all in the name of self interest. MS needs to be busted up just like the Bell System was many years ago. As for lawsuits, I know for a fact that the same firm that took on and beat Big Tobacco has an ongoing investigation. There needs to be a Cease & Desist order regarding this aggressive upgrade policy at the very least.

 

That's the key. If MS can not be blamet for the diversity of machines that exist out there, then "he" should me less agresive on the upgrade thing (lettig everyon choose the OS) and being more specific about requirements for the system. Because, at the end, what is not realistitc is to say that Windows 10 is the best Windows and blah blah, when is providing so many troubles to so many users. They just can't say that.

 

There are other considerations for and against upgrading as well. For example, I have a family computer that has to have a very simple UI and Windows 7 is ideal for this purpose.

If Microsoft could provide Windows 10 with a Windows 7 'skin', I would upgrade the family computer to Windows 10 right away, a subtle bug or two or three does not matter at all in this case. And the family computer would be up to date until the hardware dies which is quite a good deal.

But if one day we wake the family computer up with a Windows 10 UI, then the computer would be useless as a family computer. Unless I can roll back cleanly, or can use Classic Shell or jump through some other hoops...

 

Hi there.

What am I doing WRONG !!!.

I've had very few problems with W10 running on a whole slew of different hardware -- apart from some niggling network issues (Windows networking since time immemorial hasn't been its strong point) the only outstanding issue I have is switching to a 4K large monitor and back again sometimes causes the taskbar to lock or disappear completely if its at the bottom of the screen. If I have the taskbar at the top or on the sides of the screen this problem doesn't occur.

I suspect that as 4K monitors are quite new the drivers could still have an issue or two.

So when I read into a whole slew of problems on the Forum I just wonder how people install stuff or what their hardware is. For me W10 has been the OS I've had less problems with than anything else --including the still very popular W7.

Cheers
jimbo

 

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Hi Jimbo.
This thread really isn't about hardware conflicts or even windows 10 install difficulties (windows 10 installed fine on one of my machines) but about 10 being downloaded to users without express consent. More than that even when users have expressly altered a group policy to ask the O.S. to not allow O.S. upgrades, that Microsoft have released an update that toggles that setting off (and keeps doing so even when users toggle it back to off, This means that even those who have expressly asked to not get upgrades will get them anyway.

But those who do have problems installing seem to have one thing in common, that their machine worked fine on an earlier version (ruling out faulty hardware). on top of that when windows upgrades from 7/8.1 it is meant to ensure that all hardware is compatible, in fact the compatibility assistant even says in its FAQ that it will not allow you to upgrade if your computer is not compatible.

It is true that many have upgraded successfully and safely (at least for now) but for other that experience has not been a good one and they would like their Windows 7/8.1 machines to stay reliable solid 7/8.1 machines without Microsoft messing with their choices and update settings.. is this really an unreasonable request ?

I paid a lot of money for a retail Windows 7, I purchased it because it is Windows 7, I would like to keep Windows 7 without Microsoft putting what amounts to ad-ware on my computer, changing my settings when I have chosen not to upgrade, downloading a whole new O.S. onto my hard drive that I don't want (for my convenience of course..even though I have expressly indicated I do not want it)

To me it shows a certain nervousness on Microsoft's part to simply not have a ''Do not start the upgrade, or download an entire O.S. that i wont use, and do not ask again'' option on the GWX panel.. (and of course honour that choice) wouldn't that be simpler ? , then everyone would be happy.

I'm very glad you love Windows 10, for you it may be perfect, but there are others who simply do not want it anywhere near their machines.

 

They can say that, but of course it is highly subjective to the end user, personally I think it's the ugliest, buggiest O.S. they have ever produced.

 

That is just sad really don't know what to say, I guess whatever they can get away with, is what they will do. I no longer like Microsoft at all, I only still run it because for a few programs at least I need it. I'm going to not replace my Windows phone (with a Windows phone, though I doubt this will be a problem given that Windows phone is already on life support