Windows 10: Non paged-pool is too high

Discus and support Non paged-pool is too high in Windows 10 BSOD Crashes and Debugging to solve the problem; Hi! I have started to notice that my PC performance has dropped drastically. Then I went to check on task manager what was wrong when I saw that the... Discussion in 'Windows 10 BSOD Crashes and Debugging' started by Žiga Resnik, Jun 24, 2024.

  1. Non paged-pool is too high


    Hi! I have started to notice that my PC performance has dropped drastically. Then I went to check on task manager what was wrong when I saw that the non-paged pool was taking a lot of my ram power. Any help would be much appreciated. The screenshot is in slovene so the non-paged pool is written as neostranjena zaloga.

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    Žiga Resnik, Jun 24, 2024
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  2. Non-paged pool very high and increasing


    I have 16GB of RAM in my computer and my memory usage keeps getting up to 99% with little use. Every time I restart my computer the non-paged pool goes down to around 200MB but after about an hour it is up to 10GB. I only have Google chrome open with 5 tabs. I have updated Windows but the problem persists. Up until today I was able to run my computer for days without shutting down or restarting and memory use was never this high.

    Is there anything I can do to get non-paged pool down?
     
    jimbobCooter, Jun 24, 2024
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  3. bumgarb42 Win User
    Extremely High RAM utilization, high Paged Pool

    The issue started in mid-February when I received multiple warnings and critical alerts from my RMM software for several PCs I administer - the RMMs settings for RAM alerts are a warning at 85% and critical at 90%.
    All of these systems have been deployed for over 2 years and I've never had any of them give high memory alerts before. Now, of the 12 PCs in the office, 10 PCs are going to critical alert with the RAM use slowly creeping up over a 4+ day period. The users are complaining of the PCs becoming slow, lagging, or unresponsive. A reboot tends to make the PC usable again until the RAM gets critical again.


    Image 1 is RMM metrics from a users PC showing RAM (purple line) before the issues started, and after February 12th, the RAM creeping to +90% after the issues started
    Image 2 is a current image of the RMM metrics for the last month


    Non paged-pool is too high 324743d1616799818t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-cjw_tmp_1.png


    Non paged-pool is too high 324742d1616799846t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-cjw_tmp_2.png



    To make the issue more obvious, here is an image from our conference room Intel NUC, that is idle most of the time. I know that the spikes are the right side are while the PC was mostly idle and I was rebooting the PC to get the RAM to drop:

    Non paged-pool is too high 324744d1616799901t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-conf_tmp_1.png


    To help you understand some of the things I have tried, here are samples of the alerts I got from my RMM software:

    Non paged-pool is too high 324745d1616799971t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-conf_alert_1.png


    Non paged-pool is too high 324746d1616799971t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-cjw_alert_1.png


    Non paged-pool is too high 324747d1616799971t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-jgw_alert_1.png



    As I mentioned above, I have 10 PCs, some are idle, having this issue. I have 2 actively used PCs that are NOT having the issue. In trying to troubleshoot, I have basically compared the idle systems with the issue to the 2 active user PCs that are not having the issue.
    Here are images from Process Explorer, Task Manager and RAMMAP from an idle system that is having the issue:

    Non paged-pool is too high 748d1616800736t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-20210326_dwa_idle_processexplorer.png


    Non paged-pool is too high 324749d1616800736t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-20210326_dwa_idle_rammap.png


    Non paged-pool is too high 750d1616800736t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-20210326_dwa_idle_taskmanager_ram.png


    Initially seeing epsecurityservice at the top of Process Explorer and in the RMM alert, I thought BitDefender Endpoint Security (GravityZone) was the issue. I applied a “disable” policy to BitDefender on an idle system and the issue did seem to stop after a reboot.

    HOWEVER, seeing svchost in the list, I also tried a Clean Boot, but disabled everything EXCEPT BitDefender and my RMM software so I could continue to connect to the system.

    Again, the issue seemed to stop with a Clean Boot and BitDefender still enabled.

    So I compared Process Explorer metrics for a system with the issue and one that doesn’t have the issue and found that epsecurityservice.exe had roughly the same RAM use between the two systems… and the numbers were not increasing steadily over time.
    This made me think BitDefender isn’t the issue but perhaps something it uses in the OS.

    So I then looked at RAMMAP and Task Manager, and that is when I saw the extremely high Paged Pool on the idle system and a relatively small Paged Pool on the system in use. So I checked all the systems with the issue and they all have extremely high paged pools, even on systems that have been rebooted and left idle for days.

    Here are screenshots of for one of my systems that is not having the RAM issue:

    Non paged-pool is too high 324751d1616800994t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-20210326_lgs_processexplorer.png


    Non paged-pool is too high 324752d1616800994t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-20210326_lgs_rammap.png


    Non paged-pool is too high 324753d1616800994t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-20210326_lgs_taskmanager_ram.png


    And just for a comparison reference, here is what my RMM metrics for RAM look like on one of my PCs that doesn't have the issue:

    Non paged-pool is too high 324755d1616801054t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-lgs_tmp_1.png



    Here is a quick rundown of these systems configurations which is making it hard to determine if it is a driver issue since 4 different configurations are having the issue:

    Non paged-pool is too high 324757d1616802014t-extremely-high-ram-utilization-high-paged-pool-mfsok_pc_config_brief.png



    I'm not sure whether the huge Page Pool is okay, but it doesn't seem normal when compared to how my RAM utilization is for the 2 systems that are not having any issues.

    If anyone has suggestions on what else I should try to resolve this, I’d greatly appreciate it.

    If you want more information, please give me step-by-step simply to save time – I don’t want to waste any time assuming I know what you want and giving you the wrong info.

    Thanks in advance for the help!!
     
    bumgarb42, Jun 24, 2024
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  4. extremegk Win User

    Non paged-pool is too high

    High ram usage with non paged pool size

    I posted in my topic poolman result .
    poolman boot - Hızlı Resim
    You cant see in task manager .Highest usage ram non paged ismc tag
     
    extremegk, Jun 24, 2024
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