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Discus and support Question about Windows 10 "big version" updates in Windows 10 Updates and Activation to solve the problem; OS upgrades have never been exactly clean, they usually present issues that seem completely random. People have often said that if you upgraded from... Discussion in 'Windows 10 Updates and Activation' started by trparky, Oct 6, 2017.

  1. trparky Win User

    Question about Windows 10 "big version" updates


    OS upgrades have never been exactly clean, they usually present issues that seem completely random. People have often said that if you upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10 that as soon as you're done, do a Reset this PC immediately after because God knows what kind of stuff is going to go wrong after the upgrade.

    So with that being said... As we all know, Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (presumably 16299.15) is going to be released to the public. With that said I have never understood why these big "updates" are installed the way that they are. Why are they installed as if they are full OS upgrades and not just as a "slightly bigger" cumulative update?

    :)
     
    trparky, Oct 6, 2017
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  2. hitch_11 Win User

    about " memory full . close ... " problem ! n97 and equalizer !

    i dont have any problems of those u listed i exit frrom all applications when i finish ! well this means there is no solution so thanks a lot nokia Question about Windows 10 "big version" updates :(

    and about the music i was talking about the phone loudspeaker .. !
     
    hitch_11, Oct 6, 2017
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  3. hitch_11 Win User
    about " memory full . close ... " problem ! n97 and equalizer !

    1-hey ..! i did a format to my nokia n97 few days ago .. before i did the format i had the problem that sometimes when i go to photos its says " memory full close some applicartions ..." and now i have it again ! so i just wanna know how to
    solve this problem its really annoying !




    2- my best music kind is trance ,, but i dont enjoy listening trance on my n97 coz music does'nt sound good for this kind of music .. so i want to know if there is a way to make n97 music sounds like x6 or even 5800 ( i guess ) .. through some
    application or through equalizer or whatever ! i dont wanna get another phone Question about Windows 10 "big version" updates :(


    hope u help me .. ! thanks Question about Windows 10 "big version" updates :)
     
    hitch_11, Oct 6, 2017
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  4. dalchina New Member

    Question about Windows 10 "big version" updates

    This is actually a huge advantage from a maintenance perspective.

    Each new build you get a complete new set of compatible system files- your PC's system files (and some settings) are given a spring (or autumn! clean.

    In Windows 7 days we ended up having huge numbers of updates between service packs- over 100 I think- then finally SP3 came out. Then more updates.. To get up to date from a clean install was a nightmare of updates.

    With Windows 10, starting from scratch, expect to install the major base build, one large cumulative update and perhaps one other.

    Further, the build upgrades are used to both remove (deprecate) features and add new ones. whereas updates are to correct issues. So each new major build is to a revised specification.
     
    dalchina, Oct 6, 2017
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  5. trparky Win User
    But there's a lot of things that are going on behind the scenes when you're doing a Windows Upgrade (be it from Windows 7 to 10 or from an older version of 10 to a new version of 10). You can tell that there's a lot of things going on because there's lots of junk left behind after the upgrade. With that being said, the more things you do the more things can go wrong.

    So I come back to the question... Why can't one of these "big updates" to Windows 10 be installed more like a cumulative update as versus what seems like an in-place upgrade?
     
    trparky, Oct 7, 2017
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  6. Bree New Member
    My system started life as an OEM Windows 7, took the free upgrade to 10 when it was first released and has been through every "big version" upgrade since. I've had no issues so far.

    Actually, a Windows 10 upgrade install seems to be quite effective at sorting out the 'dross'. It's often recommended an effective cure for system problems that sfc/scannow and dism can't fix.

    Repair Install Windows 10 with an In-place Upgrade
     
    Bree, Oct 7, 2017
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  7. Bree New Member
    Microsoft are working on that, it's called the Unified Update Platform (UUP).
    https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...uhvH7WFEsgh.97

    The current system is called Electronic Software Download (ESD). Judging by comments from some Insiders, UUP needs a bit more work yet...
    https://www.tenforums.com/windows-10...ml#post1161073
     
    Bree, Oct 7, 2017
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  8. dalchina New Member

    Question about Windows 10 "big version" updates

    Unclear to what you are referring. Windows.old? That's automatically deleted after 10 days- during which period it allows you to reverse the upgrade.
    @Bree
    - does that mean that the change in download size actually only applies to cumulative updates, not build upgrades?
    seems to mean that upgrades would be as is.. after all, the build number changes on all system files if nothing else.
     
    dalchina, Oct 7, 2017
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  9. Bree New Member
    @dalchina, I'm not an Insider, so I can only go by what those who are say on the 16299.15 thread (the likely candidate for Fall Creators Update) and this from the MS blog...
    ...which seems to say the Fall Creators Update will be sent through windows update just containing the changed system files, provided you are up to date on Creators Update. We'll find out in the Fall...
     
    Bree, Oct 7, 2017
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  10. dalchina New Member
    Thanks.. which implies files with a mix of version numbers.. well, why not? Actually, if imageres.dll were not replaced, that saves me a small job of changing icons in it!
     
    dalchina, Oct 7, 2017
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  11. Bree New Member
    We already have that apparently - check the Details tab for the properties of your C:\Windows\explorer.exe
     
  12. dalchina New Member
    15063 - I meant the major build numbers would become a mixture (presumably) if unchanged system files were left unmodified.
     
    dalchina, Oct 7, 2017
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  13. Bree New Member

    Question about Windows 10 "big version" updates

    Presumably if the only change from 15063 to 16299 for a particular system file is the build number then a delta patch would be applied.
     
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