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    Rebooting Windows for a new era of computing


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    Brink, May 27, 2014
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  2. akilamadawa Win User

    new era with cortana

    when i brought a lumia as my first smartphone my friends demanded it was a bad idea. But i made my choice clear. Main reason i went for a windows phone cuz it was something different from all that **** Android devices. Something. Unique! It was colorful.
    I fell in love. But after i brought it i realized it wasn't dat fancy after all. You say this is the most personal smartphone. But first thing i realized is the lack of personalization. And the lack of apps. I get bored easy and with this device i got bored
    too easily. But i gotta admit 8.1 changed it. It gave people hope to stick with windows. But it's still not perfect. Windows do you wanna beat android?? Do you wanna beat iOS?? Then use your own catch phrase. The most personal smartphone That's your key to
    success. Don't worry about the app department it keeps better everyday. Worry about the personalization. Im not just talking about the lockscreens and widgets. Although you gotta use widgets like android instead of coping their notification center. But not
    what i mean. I think you already have your key to success. That was the biggest thing came up with 8.1 now it's a no show. Yep CORTANA!!! Use her. Not just for asking directions but to make windowsphone unique. Let her take control around everything. You call
    her digital assistant?? Well give a real **** meaning to dat. People are busy already to handle handle their smartphones let cortana handle it for them. You wanna personalize the lockscreen ?? U wanna make it something special?? Use cortana to do it. Greet
    the people on their lockscreen tell them what's up ask their plans remember them. Make it easy for people. People don't have anymore time to stay tapping on their mobiles. So, what im suggesting?? Give life to cortana !! If you do this right this is gonna
    be the biggest step in smartphone history. You don't need me to tell me that. Thank you.
     
    akilamadawa, May 27, 2014
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  3. garym123 Win User
    era code

    What is a era code and what is it for?
     
    garym123, May 27, 2014
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  4. LEE
    Lee Win User

    Rebooting Windows for a new era of computing

    . . .setting here waiting for the Microsoft is dead crowd. . .:angelic:
     
  5. Wenda Win User
    Well, if it keeps heading towards this pie-in-the-sky non-existent 'post-PC world' and trying to con people that the internet IS computing, then to me and a multitude of others it may as well be dead.

    There is no 'post-PC world' because the PC isn't going anywhere. Sure, it may not be Numero Uno any longer, but it will NOT be going away, no matter how much MS and the doom-sayers may wish it to. There will always be a market for powerful PCs controlled by the operator, not some company or companies trying desperately to monetise everything they touch and/or move the goalposts to a different field entirely.

    A tablet or phone is not a substitute for a powerful PC, and won't be in the foreseeable future. They don't have the power, they don't have the options, and they don't have the versatility. For serious heavy users, power-users and hobbyists, indeed for most users whose needs extend further than Farcebook and Twit, there is no substitute for the PC. And users are, at last, slowly waking up to that fact.

    Sure, if you only want to do basic tasks and consume content, they're satisfactory, but for anything remotely serious, like creating high-quality content, they're nothing but toys. I bought a tablet, and may as well have saved my money, as I almost never use it. Why? Because it's not a computer, or even close to one. It's a toy, good for net-surfing and 'social media' and sod-all else. And it will never be anything more.

    But what really gets my goat, apart from MS (and others - Adobe for example. I won't be upgrading from CS5 because I will not go the subscription route. Same with Office 2010) pushing in this direction, are those whose computing needs are few, and many of whose computer-literacy and skills are seriously open to question, having the gall to think that, because a low-powered tablet is all they need or can use, then that's sufficient for everyone, and those who don't like it can lump it.

    It's not, and it won't be. And we will neither like it nor lump it, we'll simply find an alternative. And there are plenty.

    Those who like tablet/mobile 'computing' are more than welcome to it. But don't dare attempt to take my platform of choice away just because it doesn't suit you. I will resist, you can bank on it.


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    EDIT: A disclaimer - this is not aimed at anyone in particular, so no-one here need go getting all offended.
     
    Wenda, Jun 8, 2014
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  6. Tony K Win User
    No, the desktop workhorse tower PC (and laptops) won't be going away soon, especially in an office environment, but it sure is fading at a steady pace. Here is the most recent article I could find on the subject. I'm sure there are many more.

    http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...p_by_6_in_2014
    Here's a member that surprised me with his purchase. I'm hoping he doesn't mind me using him as an example. Like some of us, he no longer wants to be tied down to an office chair and a lappy is too cumbersome for his travels.

    http://www.eightforums.com/windows-8...tml#post388146

    http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/products/surface-pro-3?SEMID=1&WT.srch=1&ocid=NYX_SEM_bing__SURFACE_BRAND_HW_FAM_surface pro 3&wt.mc_id=NYX_SEM_bing__SURFACE_BRAND_HW_FAM_surface pro 3

    I'm not here to sell anyone on it, but I think MS has a winner here. The specs on these things (along with a docking station) classifies it as a workhorse. In fact, it does way more than desktop tower considering the touch, pen, and versatility factors.

    The nitty gritty of all this is mobility along with miniaturization and power. I foresee a lot of professionals gobbling this form factor up. Why would we want to sit behind a desk when we can get work done on our patio, a restaurant, a park bench, a train a plane, etc? Why would we want a landline phone when we can take a cell phone with us anywhere? More and more consumers will purchase more mobile devices and there's one thing about business > The market rules. That's really the bottom line. I probably won't see the death of the desktop tower PC, but I think it'll eventually die off.
     
    Tony K, Jun 10, 2014
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  7. LittleJay Win User
    You maybe right HG, but hopefully not in my life time. The older I get the less appealing those "tiny" screens on portable devices get. Eye strain is a very real problem for me and that is why I have a desktop with a large LCD. Also, I enjoy "tinkering" with computer hardware and having a desktop computer is very easy to add peripheral devices to.
     
    LittleJay, Jun 10, 2014
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  8. Trust_No1 Win User

    Rebooting Windows for a new era of computing

    While, the author of the article seems to think Windows 9 will be "Microsoft's savior" as he puts it. I am not expecting much from Windows 9, I think they will further decrease window tools, focus on Bing integration and Microsoft's Cloud platform (have you seen the new cloud adds they have?). I believe they will not try to enhance any desktop tools, they want to push subscriptions, sell advertising and apps.

    Their focus is no longer on production nor the user, but the bottom line. Only after a year or two they have stopped producing, Surface RT, Pro and Pro 2, they didn't follow through with their mini tablet, so focus doesn't seem to be on that market. They just keep jumping from one thought to another, I think some call it grasping.
     
    Trust_No1, Jun 14, 2014
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  9. Layback Bear Win User
    A quality tablet is priced in the range of a quality laptop.
    It's lighter and thinner; so what. A laptop weighs less than a 6 pack. It has poorer cooling so how much hard work is one going to get done on a $3000.00 tablet.
    Their is a large part of computing public that want portable, that is a given. I believe most of that portable market just want a ipad with a bigger screen they can poke. If they can tweak, go to Facebook and get email their happy.In most cases they don't want to tinker or do work on a computer. Of course their will be companies that need that portability for traveling workers but doesn't a laptop do that now?
    Me being a member of the Seven Forum I see many times where a members has a tablet/netbook/noteboor with usb hubs and everything but their laundry plugged into it and wonder why it doesn't work. It doesn't work because they are asking it to do the work of a desktop and it can't. Their is a market for both portable and stationary computers. The new gadget, (tablets) is nothing but a large phone that you can't put in your pocket. It will sell in huge amounts and all the Apple type apps that Microsoft is hoping for will also sell.
    Their are two basic computing markets. Portable and stationary. I see no reason why Microsoft can't supply both markets.
    Some people need cars and some people need trucks. What does the manufactures do to solve the problem. Well we all know that answer; they make both and sell both. Many times one customer will buy both a car and a truck because of their needs. Same with portable and stationary computers. Many will buy both because of their needs and or wants.
    Microsoft doesn't have to leave one market to join the other market. Just be a supplier of both markets.
     
    Layback Bear, Jun 16, 2014
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  10. MikeHawthorne Win User
    Hi

    I can look at this from booth sides since I have a PC and an iPad.
    The iPad is fun, and has it's uses.

    I use it to do things you can't do with a PC, i.e. shoot video, and photos.
    I drag it around to make people look at my videos and photos whether they want to or not.

    I use it while I'm watching TV to look up things like, I thought that guy died years ago so how can he be in this TV show?

    I take it to my doctors office to kill time while they make me wait 45 minutes for an appointment that I was on time for.

    That's about it, for everything else I use my PC, all of the hundreds of things I can't do on my iPad, like use Adobe Photoshop, play The Elder Scrolls Online, make animated 3D films, store a thousand .mp3 files and even more photos, print things to my wired printer, the list goes on and on.

    I don't think it's ever going to be practical to do a lot of these things on a pad computer.
    At least not until we get to the point where you just say, "Design a Web Page" and it does it on it's own.

    The PC isn't dead if you are serious about doing anything really useful, like graphic design, illustration, video editing, or managing large amounts of image, sound, or any other kind of file that takes any amount of space.

    I'm guessing that even an accountant wants to have a keyboard.

    If you are going to have one of those keypad covers why not just get a small laptop and get all the other stuff that goes along with having a real computer?

    Do you know how tedious it is to type anything on a touchscreen?

    I know I can't see a time when I could get along without a PC, and I'm guessing that's the case for a million other people as well.

    By the way, it says on the net that there are over a billion PCs in use in the world right now!

    That doesn't seem like a market you can ignore.

    Mike
     
    MikeHawthorne, Jun 19, 2014
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  11. jimbo45 Win User
    Hi there

    the latest ms surface pro 3 is just as good as any high end laptop and has the advantage of being able to be used as a tablet OR PC. With an i7 processor, a 256 GB SSD and 4 - 8GB RAM what laptop is better -- especially as most laptops have a horrible 768 X 1366 screen resolution --the surface pro 3 has a far superior resolution.

    Ok this top end device isn't cheap but it's at roughly the same price as high end "ultra books" or a MacBook air - but it's so portable - and with a decent docking station can probably replace most desktops too. If you travel a lot you will appreciate this device immensely.

    These type of devices are the future -- and you need the OS to go with them to support the new hardware. My view is that the "Classic" tablet will be on the way out -- a 7 inch bog standard tablet IMO isn't really much use for anything sensible -- a decent mobile phone is a better choice - but a 12 inch screen with one of these new mobile devices is just fine -- and at home or work if you need a larger screen you can always use an external one - plus the docking station comes with 3 USB3 ports - a rarity to find more than one on a conventional laptop.

    If you've ever given a presentation - hooking up the surface Pro wirelessly to a smart TV is simplicity itself (and with decent screen resolution) - whereas looking at the older way of people dragging around heavy clunky Laptops with cables etc and hunting for power supplies, getting poor video resolution etc you have to feel really sorry for them.

    With the "super tablets" different users can switch their display instantly to the main screen without unplugging and re plugging of cables -- much better at large meetings when a few people need to show their screens. (I know software is around for people to share screens but it's a lot more fiddly than a user just clicking a URL with his surface pro).

    IMO unless you are a gamer the Classic DESKTOP is dead. with decent pocket size 2 TB drives you have enough local storage even on these "Super tablets".

    Cheers
    jimbo
     
    jimbo45, Jun 29, 2014
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  12. MikeHawthorne Win User
    Hi again.

    I'm with Wenda.

    It's pretty much like a Sports Car and an SUV.

    They each have different uses, one is more fun, but one isn't going to replace the other, many people like me, will own both, just as I own an iPad and a PC.

    But if I had to choose only one, it would have to be the SUV and the PC.
    They actually serve a necessary purpose.

    Yes, pads are the coming thing for carry around use, but the PC isn't going anyplace until you can use it for gaming, graphic design, and all the other multitude of real world stuff that people do on their computers.

    Surprisingly one of the things I use my iPad for most is shooting photos and videos.
    That wasn't what I expected when I bought it.

    I have a SLR, but I still shoot 90% of my photos with my iPad, it's just handy.

    I've been looking at other pads, and what bothers me it the lack of compatibility.
    Everyone, (Apple, Samsung, Amazon) lock everything down so you have to use their stuff.

    I love the freedom of using a PC and having a whole world of content available.
    In many cases the apps are a joke, the Microsoft Mail app has no features and won't open my email.

    Last, I'm not going to upgrade my Adobe software to a subscription version either.
    I want to pay for it once and use it forever.

    I'm not going to pay for it over and over, for me CS 4 is as far as I go.
    And I don't want all my stuff stored online, no matter how safe it is.

    Now I'm going to go and play The Elder Scrolls Online for a while, I can't do that on my pad.

    Mike
     
    MikeHawthorne, Jun 29, 2014
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  13. jimbo45 Win User

    Rebooting Windows for a new era of computing

    Hi there
    What's NOT PC about a surface 3 pro ??? It would also serve as both an iPad type device AND a laptop.

    Just because the keyboard is not permanently attached and you have to use Bluetooth or a USB mouse if you aren't using touch why is this NOT a PC.

    Cheers
    jimbo
     
    jimbo45, Jun 30, 2014
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  14. Tony K Win User
    PC in every respect plus some, Jim.

    Some people just aren't comprehending how small and powerful electronics are getting. And here we have versatility as well. All with a FULL BLOWN Windows OS.
     
    Tony K, Jun 30, 2014
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  15. MikeHawthorne Win User
    Hi

    I agree that the Surface Pro 3 does most of what I would want.
    The problem is the price, it costs as much as a high end laptop.

    So it kind of puts itself in a different class.

    I think Tablets, $200 to $600 or so.

    I notice that Microsoft itself compares it to the MacBook Air, not the iPad.

    If I'm going to spend $800 to $2,000 there are a lot of options in laptop computers.

    So it comes down to, it is worth the price to have it weigh less?

    Surface Pro i7 512 Gb version, 1.7 pounds, $2,000!
    Add another $200 for the cover.

    Lenovo Idea Pad Flex i7 500 Gb version, 5.2 pounds,$650.

    You can get a 12" laptop for $350, or an iPad Air for around $650.

    The Lenovo doesn't have the same high resolution screen etc, but this is a big price difference.

    So for me, price alone eliminates the Surface Pro 3 as an alternative, and I would call the Surface a PC more then a tablet computer.

    Above all, it has to run real software, I'm not sure whether you can run Adobe Illustrator on a Surface Pro, but it would be very tough without a mouse.

    Can you imagine sitting down and designing a 64 page catalog on a tablet.

    You have to edit the images, compose the type, use special effects, run Adobe Illustrator, it just isn't possible.

    I can visualize a tablet that runs Windows 8, has all the attributes of an iPad, does everything that a PC does, will let me run Adobe Photoshop, play The Elder Scrolls Online etc, but there isn't anything like that at this time.

    Mike
     
    MikeHawthorne, Jun 30, 2014
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