Windows 10: VM

This is correct and possibly quite a useful advantage of VirtualBox. VirtualBox will run 32 bit guests (but not 64 bit) if you don't (or can't) turn on VT-x in BIOS.

Hyper-V and VMWare just don't work at all (VMWare Player older than I think version 4 used to work like this but doesn't any more).

You can also run 32 bit guests in VirtualBox while having Hyper-V role enabled which also doesn't work with VMWare.

Like you said, if you want 64 bit guest (and some Linux distros only come in 64 bit) you need to turn on VT-x. Assuming you aren't using it you also need to disable Hyper-V. When you enable Hyper-V in Windows Features it makes your normal host act as VM and again neither VMWare or VirtualBox with 64 bit guests will work. If you are not using Hyper-V it is easiest to remove it through Add/Remove Windows Features although you can disable it through boot options.

 

Hi here
HYPER-V won't run on Windows 10 HOME editions - just so people don't waste their time if they don't have W10 PRO or above.

Incidentally provided you have the VT-X or whatever it is on AMD CPU's enabled you can actually run a 64 bit GUEST on a 32 Bit Host -- provided of course that CPU is 64 bit capable and Host + Guest can't address more than 4 GB of RAM. You also will need an older version of VMWARE if you use VMware as latest versions only run on 64 bit hosts.

It's quite fun booting up an XP HOST running a W10 x-64 bit Guest !!!! --shows today I really had a load of spare time --lucky the end Client doesn't know !!!!

How about this -- Windows 3.11 -- probably a load of people on this forum weren't even born when this was around -- but first sensible Windows system that made any sort of networking possible in a work environment. Still works fine as a VM !!!!.






Easy to go Bonkers running VM's but good fun !!!! I'll see if I can get Windows 98 to run XP -- problem with that far back there won't be any video drivers bigger than VGA on the host -- although on the VM with VMware tools etc you can get proper resolution. - Lovely to be wasting time at Client's expense !!! and learning at the same time.


Cheers
jimbo

 

Good afternoon.
All of the VMware is so so interesting to me. I want to learn as mush as possible. Thank you for the information. I am going to download the VM and see what happens.

 

@cmmpro1

Have you got Linux running in a VM ?

 

Not yet. Having to clean the computer I'm going to install everything on. I want it to be on the spare computer. That way if I CRASH it, I can still do my work work. Lol!!

 

Well ... since it's a spare PC, why not jump in with both feet. Forget the VM, format it and put Linux Mint on it *Smile

 

That's a thought!!! Format....... Something new...... How do I do that???

 

Just boot it up from the Linux Mint DVD. Once the desktop is up, double click the CD Icon (Install Now) on the Desktop and as you go thru setup, erase the entire disk and let Linux set up the disk the way it wants.

Install Linux Mint Linux Mint Installation Guide documentation

Step 5 in that tutorial.

Note: When/If you do this, you will wipe out everything that's currently on that PC !

 

That's ok as long as I will be able to get on the internet and send email. I will be able to do that right?

 

Yea, should be no problem.

 

Although you cannot run Hyper-v and other emulators at the same time, you can simply boot same installation with two boot entries i.e.

One boot entry boots with Hyper-V enabled so you can run Hyper-V VMs but not other emulators. The other boot entry disables Hyper-V so you can run other emulators.

In general, Hyper-V is definitely superior but has one significant issue.

If Guest OS does not run an RDP server, you can only use it in Basic Mode, and cannot get any audio.

So Linux VMs in Hyper-V are no good if you want sound unfortunately. Same is true for a Windows 10 Home VM.

However for other versions, PRO, Enterprise etc, VMs do have audio in enhanced mode, and Hyper-V has many pluses eg easy to mount vm in host or as a guest. You can run Macrium images as a Hyper-V vm. You have better integration with Windows as vms use native hardware rather than emulated hardware etc.

 

You can always run an emulator. You mean hypervisor. You may think this is a trivial point put there is a major difference between an emulator and a hypervisor. An emulator converts CPU instructions in the guest into the structure the underlying CPU understands. Virtualisation is not the same - it uses the hardware directly. Virtualisation is much faster than emulation. Apart from hobby projects emulation really isn't used these days although you can emulate a Nintendo DS on Windows if you want - see here Windows Emulators Software - SourceForge.net

After that there is also a difference between a type 1 and type 2 hypervisor. This is in fact why VirtualBox will work in 32bit mode but not 64 when another is running. With a Type 1 (like Hyper-V or ESXi) there isn't an underlying OS running. When you enable Hyper-V role your Windows is a VM. Type 1 and Type 2 Hypervisors Explained -- Virtualization Review. This is in fact why your networking speed can reduce when turning enabling Hyper-V role as the hypervisor assumes you want to share.

To what? In what sense? Are you saying Hyper-V is better for Enterprise than ESXi or ZEN? It isn't the most popular for sure. Or are you saying it is better for a home user (even though VMWare works better for Linux as you admit).

It has a few advantages for a home user (mainly auto suspend restart) but superior it is not. It isn't faster than VMWare and isn't as generic as VBox. Perhaps you mean "free if you have Pro".

 

Yeah - terms were a bit slack. It is a bit more subtle as you can install android emulators which will not run if the hyper-v hypervisor is running.

Really I was just comparing hyper-v with vmware/vbox for average domestic user. IMO Hyper-V is superior in enhanced mode but can be inferior in basic mode due to sound issue.

I have done performance tests with Vmware and hyper-v and hyper-v easily out performed vmware. Maybe that was a function of my device, but imo it was no contest.

Of course, if a Home user it is irrelevant as it cannot run hyper-v.

I also personally prefer hyper-v as it uses vhdx files which can be attached as a host boot or hyper-v guest boot. I like to use a vhdx for testing Insider versions but prefer to run on host pc as faster than in a vm. Only annoying thing is you cannot do build upgrades in a vhdx on host, so I attach vhdx as a vm, do build upgrade, and then reattach vhdx as a host boot. It is not that easy to do same with vmware (I know yiu can mess around with macrium images etc to same end but more hassle).

I do use vmware now and then, but as a rule, I find hyper-v slicker but to be fair, it is less intuitive for beginners but @Kari's guides are how I got off the ground.