Windows 10: W10 Fail

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I have 300 clients total, 75 are active. I run my online remote service from my home and work on all Windows OSes in people's homes around the world. Each one of those people received a warning from me about upgrading or buying W8 about one hour after I downloaded the Beta version. Same thing today. They all received a warning not to upgrade or buy a W10 computer.

I am still pointing, and will point people to Windows 7 64bit from sites, phone/skype calls and off course, my weekly email I send to all of them.

I received many "thank you" emails helping them dodge W8 and buy a new W7 desktop or laptop online. I even shopped with many of them in their browsers after connecting to their computers. These people rely heavily on my research and my subjective experience.

Fact remains that in the business world and the average computer user's world, Windows 7 64 Bit is the best OS Microsoft has put together since XP.

To read that people will have to download a W10 Start Menu to get back to what is "familiar". Wow! That is so ethically wrong by the Windows devs at M$ to make people have to get a third party program to have the same (or similar) experience they have had since Windows XP Start Menu.

When they rolled out W7 with Aero, artists of the world (actually people in general) loved the richness of the interface. Was that "too much" of a bell/whistle for M$ to add to W7? I think not. It did not get in the way of navigating the computer.


Esoteric Windows users love change. Not the masses. The masses want familiarity, a word I have typed a thousand times since W8 was released and will continue to emphize in other Microsoft oriented forums.

Can I change your minds? Of course not. But when people search the Internet for "opinions" on Windows 8/10, they will find these threads of discontent and have some "real experience" spelled out for them before they make their next move to a new OS or a new PC.

 

From a support point of view you should be pointing them all to the far superior Windows 10 that way there is only one OS to look after, however you may stop getting support calls after a while as it all just works.

 

I guess you haven't followed that I support all Windows OSes. Just because I don't like W8/W10 doesn't mean I don't have them installed on partitions. I have to learn them but I don't to like them. You have to be kidding, service calls stop coming in? That's tantamount to saying a new car has been released that will never need an oil change. Sure, it's coming-but it ain't here yet.

*Dinesh

 

I worked as the head of an IT dept for years, supporting 1000's of staff and customers, if everybody had the same os that would be a major bonus, if I was still in industry now I'd be actively prepping to move all the company systems over to save the phone calls.

 

Normally I would agree with you about "letting them find out for themselves". However, I am in my 60's and my clients range from 50 to 90 years old. The last thing they want or need is a "new" learning curve. I know them very personally, that's part of my service. Just me and them, no one in-between. That income is for my road trips, new computers, dining out and keeping our cars well maintained. And lots of KFC and Pizza takeout. *Biggrin

*cake

 

That's where your credibility ended.

 

The only reason for Windows 10 fail is that they fired a lot of their top software developers, so these newbies have no clue on how to make a reliable OS.

I'm currently using Windows 8.1 and I love it, I was really hoping for Windows 10 to be compatible with internal software but it doesn't. My sound crashes upon install, AMD update for Windows 10 is garbage just leave it and let Windows find an update then it's fine.

Until they fix the software install issues, I'm not going to be installing it for some time maybe like 10 months and go from there.

If Microsoft is thinking that I should go out and buy a newer soundcard or Motherboard GL they better contact these Manufacturers about upgrading the software for Windows 10.

 

Too funny and redundant. I never had credibility with your ilk anyway. Don't need it. Just want to make sure there is a balance of pro/con input in this forum. The average computer user could care less about coming here and posting their experiences with any Windows OS. They just want whatever they have, repaired and optimized.

You're a loyalist here and the other forum loyalists and champions of new Windows OSes are going to automatically not like my thoughts. I'm not here to please anyone. I am here to express subjective experiences.

I don't even throw major zingers. The guy was not a professional, that was easy for you to see as well. BUT, he doesn't need to be a professional. He, like many in forums around the world "have an opinion". Just like you and me.

 

I'm a bit old and I hate change. Change is not good. Change sucks but it is necessary. If I can deal with it I'm sure you can.

At first I was like...You have go to be joking. Then as I looked closer I saw how I could customize it for me. I can also put my most used things on the start menu so my old ass can see them better. BIG BLOCKS. lol

No..., but for real. I like it because it's customizable. WIN, Plus when I get my new tablet and phone I won't be 100% lost. YAY

No, I do not work for Microsoft. I'm just an old guy that likes things to work and be easy. : )

Now if they can just stop this Cortana girl from yelling at me I think I'll be just fine. : )

 

Nah... not quite.

I've been a Windows 7 user for many years until yesterday - my upgrade path has been DOS -> Windows 95 -> Windows XP -> Windows 7 -> Windows 10, and hating all the in-between versions (well, I've used Linux as well but that's a different story).

When Windows 8 came out I of course had to try it, but I absolutely detested it, with its "Metro UI" and the touch-centrism which might be fine for a tablet but NOT for a dual-monitor high-end PC workstation with keyboard/mouse as the primary interface. It totally sucked. Windows 8.1 was an attempt to fix that I guess, but a huge fail IMO, and although I did try it, I reverted to Windows 7 after less than a week.

Now with Windows 10, I had some technical issues, (see the Hardware/drivers forum), but from the UI perspective, Windows 10 is a clear win over Windows 7 (and everything in between). The first thing I did was to delete all the "tile" shortcuts from the start menu, and started to pin things there that I actually use. The result is that I still have "My computer" (now renamed "This PC", but that still works for me) , and shortcuts to the programs I use the most, just as I did in my old Start menu, but it's more visually appealing. Notice that for example when you pin "This PC" to the start menu, you can actually still right click and choose properties, etc., like in Win 7, so it's not a half-hearted goofed up attempt at making it flexible - it actually works.

Also the way Win 10 deals with multiple monitors is an improvement, now I can actually "maximize to half screen" also on the side of the screen that faces the one next to it, which is super useful for having a tiled layout, and there's a small resistance when dragging things across (there are some issues remaining with dealing with different zoom levels on the two monitors, but that's minor). The start menu and task bar, and the overall visual impression of 10, is excellent. It's a bit like 7 but with some of the unnecessary cruft trimmed off. The UI is fast and it's smooth.

One thing I positively hate, is that they try to force you to sign into Windows with your Microsoft ID just to be able to use Cortana. On the Feedback app you can choose to sign into Microsoft just for that app, and Cortana should be the same. Still, the solution is simple (even if a bit sucky) - don't use Cortana, which is what I'm doing until someone comes up with a better way to fix this. So here, MS still is trying to change our behaviour by way of software restrictions, but in a much smaller and less obnoxious way than they did with 8, or even 8.1. At least it's progress.

So overall, quite happy with 10 so far, except for the technical issues I mentioned, and it's a keeper for me. Time to move on, Windows 7 was great but we need to progress, and 10 seems like a decent attempt at that, once some of the issues get ironed out.

- Thomas

 

From what I've seen, Windows 10 is the best operating system for "professionals" so far. Start menu works better than it did on Windows 7, and you also have Virtual Desktops and a better File Explorer now.

 

I'm not here to please anyone either, I'm here to help people. I'm a Windows 7 fan (feel free to check my help offered on Sevenforums.com) who has helped in the W10 beta to try and help make it the best experience possible and having spent a lot of time using it have found it's a great OS. Now I will help people who are having problems with W10. One thing I will never do though is tell people their opinion doesn't count because they're not a professional, everybody's opinion counts but there are ways to put them across. Condescending is not one of them.

I'm not sure what my 'ilk' is either. You don't know me from Adam so I'm not sure you do either.

 

Remind me not to ask any advice from people like you. You are actually going against best interests of you customers. Such an attitude is what kept middle ages dark. Yes there were people calling bloody murder about Tesla and Edison and light bulbs, there were outcries about first automobiles and airplanes, trains were supposed to kill people if going faster than 50mph. Brothers Mongolfier had sent a goat 100 meters in the air i their balloon to prove that living beings can take that height even as people were surviving in much higher mountains.
People in IT should also educate people about inevitable changes instead of telling them to bury their heads in sands of time.
If it wasn't for large base of software and catering to people that don't want to move along, I bet MS could make much better OS than now. Instead, they have to tuck a change here and there to make any acceptable progress but even that produces negative reaction with some.
I have now great reservations about windows XP and even W7 usefulness of interface but liked them for a time. Start menu for instance, after collecting hundred or so installed programs it filled up the screen and then some every time I opened it and had to make some alterations (pretty much like W8 and specially W10 Start menu) just to be able to find them faster.
If I, an old geezer and many like me can learn new system, everybody that wants to can. Don't forget millions of young people that are more used to interface on smart phones and tablets and would be hard pressed to find anything on windows 3.1 for instance. Heck they can't even tell how to start music from cassette tapes on a Walkman from 15 years ago but with Modern Apps they are right at home.

 

How much cleaner can a Start Menu and All Programs interface be? This is customized the way I like it. Plus I use the QLA more than I do pinning. Fortunately the QLA exists in W8 and W10 and most likely will be behind the scenes to activate through the Taskbar for many OSes to come. Simply a wonderful concept for shortcuts to files, folders, web sites, programs etc.