Windows 10: What do you guys think of installable desktops for windows 10?

I think you missed his point Kari. He was suggesting OneGet is similar to Linux package managers, and if Windows isn't supposed to be compared to Linux, why is MS releasing OneGet.

 

Yes, I "speed read" *Wink. Anyway, OneGet is not the first package management system in Windows. It just takes off from where NuGet is now.

I don't get that kind of comparison. What on earth have yum and apt get and what not to do with this? The package management is not exclusively licenced to Linux.org.

 

You are correct but I was trying to be nice, actually chocolatey by itself is more similar to apt-get than Oneget, after trying it. One-get seems to add a further steps.

However, the problem with windows choco and possible oneget is it installs everything, even the stuff you don't want that may included pup. There is a gui of choco but I am not sure it will work on windows 7, I am testing that now.

 

What?

OneGet (and Chocolatey when used as a Windows application instead of OneGet package manager) gets the installers from their original source. Where's the risk to get anything unwanted?

An example. My preferred Opera version is 12.15, I do not like the newer ones. OK, so I search for all versions of Opera, pipe the list to a selection window, select my version which is then piped to install-package cmdlet. All with one command:




When PowerShell starts executing my command, I can follow its progress if I have nothing better to do. I can see for each program I install that the system picks up the original installers from their original sources, as in this example case:




The risk to get something unwanted is much bigger when using "Click this, enable that" online installers.

 

Nothing against your opinion, albeit give us a break with your need to bring up Linux. This is a Windows 10 site, and in all reality has noting to do with Linux. . .yes it really is that simple. . .Thank you. . .*Smile

 

Hi there

YUM-Extender is a nice GUI package manager for Linux - I can't see why something like this wouldn't run on Windows -- all you really need is a database of the updates plus PRE and POS REQS (i.e other packages / software required to complete the installation) plus a reference to the source / software location (repository).

I'm not a coder but to me the concept seems easy -- if the STORE actually had all the software in it then it in theory could be a real doddle to create this.

Just because we are on a Windows Forum we shouldn't ignore some of the really GOOD facilities that Linux (or any other OS including iOS) has and incorporate them into Windows if it improves the whole Windows OOBE.

Keeping track of what one has installed sensibly seems IMO just to be a "No brainer" --it's not a Linux Vs Windows thing - just IMO plain common sense.

On a network you could add a field giving the computer ID too. So if you have several machines especially with different hardware then it makes the whole maintenance process simpler. (I know large corporates will have packages anyway for centralized software management -- my suggestion here is for single machines or smallish home networks).

Screenshot of YUM extender running on CENTOS 7. I'm sure this type of interface would be very easy to develop for Windows -- we must have some competent coders out there - you could probably do it in 30 mins - I've suggested the method !!! but I haven't a clue about coding it. !!


Cheers
jimbo

 

@Kari


Took me sometime. Here is what happened when I tried to install imgburn in windows 7 using Chocolatey package manager. I wanted to make sure I had a decent image backup in case I had issues. This is what I was talking about with Chocolatey. Unlike repositories for Linux, chocolatey is not watched by several developers. So, with Chocolatey you could get some unwanted software installed. So, if you are going to use Chocolatey package manager, I would recommend using avg. One side note, you may need to reboot after avg cleans a unwanted program before using chocolatey again.

 

That's quite difficult to avoid if as shown in your screenshot the installer itself, the excutable of the app installer you are installing contains XXXware (replace XXX with mal, spy, ad, whatever).

OK, I admit that should never happen but (there's always a but) that's the second time only I have heard about something like that in all the time I have been interested and involved in this. First was Adobe who tried to add Google Toolbar to Shockwave Player executable, they took it away quite soon (as far as I know I was the first one to detect that, see the tweet below).

The culprit is Imgburn, not Chocolatey and I am quite convinced that will be changed.

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Garret Serack, the head of the OneGet team at MS, responded like this:

 

OpenCandy is an adware program that's included with imgburn's install application directly from the author. This isn't something that was added by a third party. You would get the same popup if you installed Imgburn from any other source, so I fail to understand what this has to do with chocolatey.

http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?/...od-reputation/

 

I'm not real clear on what the topic is here... Package managers? Linux? Something else? If it's package managers, I occasionally use Ninite. Ninite - Install or Update Multiple Apps at Once

It's fast, convenient, and BS proof! It's just a stub downloaded with your choices. Fire it up and walk away!

 

It's about this: PowerShell OneGet - Install Apps from Command Line - Windows 10 Forums

And here for the older Windows versions: Chocolatey - Install Apps from Command Line

 

Doing things using a command line is kind of backwards for Windows OS (on user level) but I personally don't have problems with it. I've been using Linux for a while and I am quite familiar with the concept.
Not a bad idea. It brings out the geeks in us.

 

Command line can sometimes speed up things. My image customization scenario, the way I do it with each new version of Windows, each general image I prepare for my own installs, is much easier with tools like OneGet in 10 and Chocolatey in 7 and 8.

To put it very short, here's what I do, this is exactly how I did with this latest build of 10:

• Install Windows
• Reboot to Audit Mode
• Open PowerShell, use OneGet to install all my basic software I want to be included in the image with one command (Adobe CC, VLC, PDF Reader, 7Xip, Opera, Chrome, Maxthon, Screenpresso to name a few) without any whatsoever user interaction
• While PS OneGet works and installs my stuff in the background, customize the default user profile and install Office 2013
• Sysprep with premade answer file, generalizing the image and shutting down
• Capture the image for later installs (deployments) to my other machines
• Boot to OOBE to finalize the Windows setup
• Done!

I have now a fresh, cleanly installed Windows including all my software, and an image which installs the same complete package to any other machine in 20 minutes.

 

I need to do that. I got a set of personal "standard" programs that I need to compile together.

 

I recommend it. I am not saying my method is the correct way, I'm just saying it works for me. I only "install" a new version or build once, customize the setup, sysprep and capture the image and I'm done. All subsequent installs of the same version will be rather deployments than installs, using this customized and captured image, be it on a real or virtual machine.

I have a rather big network at home (see the tweet below, big for a home network, small in any other sense!) and I would not like to go through the same procedure with each machine. For me the only reasonable way to do it is to use one machine for the "hard work", then be lazy and deploy *Smile.

BTW, also if you have only one machine this way all subsequent reinstalls are a piece of cake. The funny thing is, deploying the image already containing all my software is faster than a simple clean install of Windows.

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