Windows 10: Windows 10 to make the Secure Boot alt-OS lock out a reality

My experience.. Well, I went to upgrade from 9926 to 10041 and I ran into an issue because my BIOS was not set up for Secure Boot. The new build would not install. So, I was able to change the settings in the BIOS so I could use Secure Boot and the update worked just fine.

I hope this in not an issue for others.
Jeff

 

It just means that the NVidia and ATI will have to get their boot loaders signed, or they will have to use the EFI mechanisms, such that Dell uses (it installs the update to the special partition, boots the signed EFI loader which runs the update).

But regardless, once again, if you don't like this.. just don't buy hardware that prevents you from disabling it. If enough people do that, OEMs will get the message.

 

That will work for new hardware. How are the going to do that with the hardware that's already on the market? If it does happen I see a opportunity for some lawyers to make some big $$$$.

 

Your logic escapes me. Hardware that's already on the market isn't at issue, since it already has the option that was previously mandatory.

 

Try to find a video card on the market today that is UEFI ready without updating it's bios. If you can't turn off secure boot you can't boot your computer.

 

The video card doesn't have to be UEFI ready, it's the *UPDATE PROGRAM* that has to be UEFI ready. I don't know of a single video card on the market that won't work in a machine that has UEFI out of the box.

 

Have you tried installing a video card in a computer that has UEFI and Secure Boot enabled? I did and the computer wouldn't boot. I had to remove the card to get my computer to boot. After searching in Google I found out I had to disable Secure Boot and enable legacy bios to get the card installed. You are right, the card doesn't have to be UEFI ready but your not going to boot your computer if you can't turn off Secure Boot.

 

which video card was you trying to install?

 

They were NVIDA GeForce GT cards. The one I'm using now is the GT 740.

 

Yes, every computer I've built for the last 3 years has been UEFI with SecureBoot, and none of them have had any issue with any video card.. NVidia, intel, ATI.. The only reason that would be necessary is if the card needed a firmware update for the CPU or Chipset in use. There is simply no reason that has anything to do with UEFI or Secure Boot.

 

I guess NVIDIA is a wrong too. When installing an after-market graphics card into a certified Windows 8 PC with UEFI enabled, the system may not boot.

 

The point is that MS is NOT requiring that OEMs should have Secure Boost disabled. On the contrary, the state of Secure Boot is OPTIONAL for W10. Besides, these requirements are only to be able to get logo "Designed for Windows 10", which does not mean that other PCs cannot run Windows 10. Just as this was not the case with Windows 8, by the way...

 

Very good find @Winuser. *Thumbs

 

First, that's referring to "after-market", which means the computer did not originally come with the card and you are replacing either onboard video or a different card.

Second, that article is 2 years old, and probably refers to cards that are much older.. every card I've used from the last 3 years has been UEFI compatible. But... if, for some reason, you have a brand new system with Windows 10, you may not be able to upgrade the firmware of a 3 or 4 year old video card. You can always plug it into a different computer and do the firmware update there. Or, you might have to get a new card.. it's not completely unheard of for old hardware to be incompatible with new hardware.

Either way, this is probably a very rare scenario in the future.

 

im not sure about the low end cards in the 7xx series but i know the gtx 750 and higher can be installed without the need to disable uefi boot.

i think it would be best to wait until more info is release before having a big discussion about this, im about 95% sure you will not need secure boot to use windows 10, as most of the comps running windows 10 will not have a uefi bios.